QuirkySushi
QuirkySushi

Is it possible for those doing well to still acknowledge how our generation is screwed economically?

Saw a similar post somewhere from an European and I think it’s pretty valid for India.

For context, I am in my early 30s, a home owner, living in tier-2 city with a pretty high salary. Recently got married and my wife also works as an Enterprise AE for a listed US company. Our cost of living is pretty low given the house and tier-2 city. Even if we had a kid, the overall cost of living will not change a lot.

I got to where I am, economically, by a combination of hard work and luck. Luck definitely was a huge part of it. Knowing the right people at the right time, working on the right technologies helped a lot more in advancing my career a lot more than grinding for good grades. Even the ability to buy a house without much debt, was partly because I was lucky to sell my shares in a fairly small startup.

It would be easy to say things aren’t economically bad based on my own experience or that of my close friends. However, when I look at things more objectively, I can’t help but come to the conclusion that we are screwed as a generation. Except for maybe the top 1%, salaries are not keeping up even with inflation. Housing costs, specially in tier 1/2 cities are unbelievably high even if you want an average apartment. Jobs are no where to be seen. The whole generation is living in the hope of the stock market rally never ending. This seems completely unsustainable as a nation. I might be doing well for now, but I still recognise how these are real problems for most Indians, who’ve been waiting for India’s century for 20 years

Given that the services industry contributes more than 50% to the GDP, the current state of joblessness, the overall sluggishness in IT and related sectors, and the fundamental changes happening to the way IT services now work, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a complete recession in the next 4-5 years.

Lately, there has been a lot of criticism of anyone expressing anger on how bad things are but I think it’s helpful to talk about this.

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GigglyNarwhal
GigglyNarwhal

Great post, I was thinking to jot down something similar.
The way I see is that our generation(I'm Gen Z), is financially fucked due to 2 main behavioral changes:

  1. Increase in consOOmerism: We're zoomer consoomer. GenZ is known for show off culture. We will buy the latest and greatest phones on EMI every 2 years. People spend thousands on sneakers, bags, branded clothes.
  2. No Savings: People are no longer saving money. My then girlfriend used to got mad at me in market when I tried to bargain. Its considered a turn off lmao. People find bargaining bad now... like I'm looting a poor guy. People don't realise how much our parents sacrificed and bargained everyday to save money.
QuirkySushi
QuirkySushi

It’s the values. The Indian society’s values — frugality, morality, trust have been lost in the cacophony of the social media and the race to be better than everyone you know.

GigglyNarwhal
GigglyNarwhal

Couldn't agree more

SillyDonut
SillyDonut
TCS15mo

Go through Goldman Sachs report...

India is still best place to be!

Period.

ZoomyMuffin
ZoomyMuffin

If in India, you have heard of Goldman Sachs, then India is place to be for you.

WigglyPotato
WigglyPotato

Bro this post is literally talking about how it's generally become harder for the common man to survive and you want to bring your petty nationalism into this?

SleepyHamster
SleepyHamster

While some of this might correct as economy expands and enters into a dovish period (post rate cuts), few things will remain as painful

  • excessive milking of service class for taxes and loop holes for business class to make more profits
  • high tax rate not translating to benefits for tax payers ex - free quality healthcare, better public transportation, cleaner air, unemployment coverage, etc.
  • Rampant and illegal wealth creation by Babus (civil servants) and politicians with no framework/ policy to nip this in the bud. Entering people’s homes to find crores of gold and cash is just so scratching the surface
QuirkySushi
QuirkySushi

What you just defined is called Oligarchy

TwirlyWalrus
TwirlyWalrus

Yeah things are really bad in India. Even with this seemingly startup boom, there aren't enough jobs for all. The universities are producing bad talent that does not know how to work so there are bootcamps as well. Even if there are jobs, owning a home has become near impossible without a home loan. Getting a home loan, means giving away more than half of the salaries in EMI leaving no room for investing in other aspects of life. Even for a high income group, buying a house that justifies standards of being a high earner is costly. In delhi, flats are being sold from 25L to crores. For many this is more than what they will earn in their lifetime. 25L might seem reasonable but what you get for 25L feels like a cubicle in comparison to what you can own in a tier 2 or 3 city. Then comes the problem with these lower tier cities. Lack of connectivity, slow internet, lack of regular supplies of electricity, water, societal norms, cultural conflicts, bad healthcare and education infra and so on. No matter where you go, crime rates are at an all time high and the only thing I can think of as a solution is escaping india.

FuzzyMuffin
FuzzyMuffin
IBM15mo

Man, you've read my mind

WigglyQuokka
WigglyQuokka

Just to add to this perspective, visited a 1bhk for rent 2 days back in Andheri east - 400 sq ft, 700mtr from metro, ~20yr old building, rent = 45k. Brokerage = 45k Deposit = rent x 3

What's surprising is, got rented out the next day when we called for negotiation 😶

QuirkySushi
QuirkySushi

This is fucked up.

SwirlyWaffle
SwirlyWaffle

Manufacturing boom and industrialisation solves some of this.

GoofyWaffle
GoofyWaffle

manufacturing boom won't happen because of shit policies.

SwirlyWaffle
SwirlyWaffle

It is not just policies we are decades behind china. Folks in my family manufacture small agricultural equipment, Chinese machines which are half the price but sadly also half the quality have flooded the market. Hard to compete with them as farmers are hooked and quality is not top of mind.

Honestly think that we need extreme protectionist policies for a decade to develop an ecosystem in India otherwise there is no reason to buy Indian goods over foreign counterparts.

During the licence raj we were closed off but there was no private capital to invest in industry. Now, we have it. Needs to be diverted away from tech/services towards manufacturing.

JumpyHamster
JumpyHamster

https://youtu.be/eB_B03nghsk?si=QStLC-eghz6V7LnY

Its called ponzi scheme. Many people say this money is not a zero sum game.

Boomers created this. GenX followed it silently.

Good that people are realizing this. Debt by Govt is never gonna get paid back. They will inflate it away.

Its a cycle: Strong Men Create Good Time Good Times Create Weak Men Weak Men Create Hard Times Hard Times Create Strong Men

So my dear warriors don't worry a lot to question and oppose old view. Good build the future with long term in mind.

JumpyHamster
JumpyHamster

The transition this time doesn't have to be a violent way. We need to leverage tech to transition to create a good time phase.

Remember these are generational changes.

GoofyWaffle
GoofyWaffle

can you summarise the docu? or should I absolutely watch it?

SwirlyBoba
SwirlyBoba

There are at least 4 things that gen Z / alpha needs to understand that is millenials got lucky with and not to follow us.

  1. Consumerism : Don't buy shit you don't need.
  2. Studies : Study to learn, not get a job. Why do you ask India has few high value job creating institutions ? Because gen X and millenials cheated their way into job market using credentials. most people in upper and middle management are idiots in India. Developers making 30 lakh when they cannot write fizbuzz in php. Even in IAS and from IITs, too many idiots have too much power.
  3. Freedom : Not every freedom is good. Alcohol Drugs mindless hookups take away your time, money, patience and focus. Millenials were lucky they were born in the HIMYM era where US could print free money and you can chill. The world has changed.
  4. Social Media : is a time sink. Likes mostly don't mean anything. Becoming a famous influencer is HARD and requires lot of luck. Hoping to make a career in social media is like making salary through dream 11, not sustainable.
CosmicQuokka
CosmicQuokka

I need universal basic income, kaise hoga nahi janta bas chaiye.

GoofyWaffle
GoofyWaffle

India mai toh impossible. Try EU

ZoomyMuffin
ZoomyMuffin

@Ambedkarite The situation for employment for the 2015+ graduates is indeed bad. MNC and stable jobs have not taken off as have the supply of graduates and that has left a lot youngsters with educated degrees with debt and financial burden.

But economically, even the previous generations were screwed up. Average Jobs and incomes were never that high in India to begin with. Only the 1% of X-ers got stable Govt jobs, 1-2% of Millennials with stable private sector service jobs. We have to acknowledge that even in our parents generation, those who bought houses and taught kids in English medium were very few, the entire generation wasn't as well off.

Coming to the youth, the recent generations are the first with the high supply of educated grads running after too few jobs. But this was bound to happen and isn't as bad. The economy did not catchup fast to create jobs that could accommodate so many graduates, so there is a demand supply mismatch, BUT it simply could not do so fast. It would have been a miracle if it did. Everybody knew of this problem a decade back, everyone tried. There were seminars held which spoke about the need of 2Cr jobs to be created/yr in 2012 because our demographics is that way.

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