For context: Weekends are off. So just fri WFH. This is a Series B startup. I am not even asking for a leave but WFH for just 1 day. I joined recently. The only thing I did wrong was possibly informing a little too late.
Want to get opinion if I am overthinking or this classifies as toxic culture in startups where you are expected to push limits above and beyond regularly and sometimes weekends.
Not a great culture, also you don’t have to give the actual reason, instead say due to some unavoidable work or family health reason you will need to wfh. Its a good way of seeing what kind of employer one is, when they also treat urgencies like that. Indians feel they need to give a detailed explanation as to why they deserve wfh or leave, whereas in international companies, you just have to inform the manager.
Also if they don’t allow WFH then you should be refusing to do anywork once you get home or on weekends as thats from home. So make note of this for future then they give you work to take home
That's a bit dangerous ig, they might assign much work observing this behavior. It can lead to leaving late from office. How to deal with this?
This is not what a toxic work culture looks like btw.
Sharing a manager’s POV here:
Not everyone is made for WFH - managers learn this the hard way.
Those who are disciplined are usually easily given freedom.
Proof of work is essential to earn trust. Since you’re still in probation, doesn’t seem like a lot of time has gone by for you to showcase dependability.
Here is what I am taking away:
Fact of the matter is that managers may have burned their hands in the past with certain hires. Some people do abuse the flexibility and make it worse for the next folks in line. It’s unfair but building trust early on leads to dividends later.
Also - why did you join a startup?
Of course you’d be expected to push your limits. You don’t have to though. Chances are you may survive and tread along without shifting gears, but the music will stop at some point.
9 to 5, weekdays, work only as per JD chahiye then there are always Govt jobs, Infosys and the Cognizant’s of the world - there’s nothing wrong with wanting this. Just look for this at the right place though.
Boi- you are so wrong here. I am not complaining about working long hard hours. Its just that if you work long hard hours you expect certain flexibility with your time. Agree with you on the 'time in the company' point but ask yourself- what kind of a culture do you want to build- should it be trust first or second guessing. I agree proof of work shows dependability but if you have hired someone- 4/5 yrs experience and giving them good enough responsibilities you gotta trust the person
Of course it should be trust first. Chances are that the company most likely started off with that DNA.
Sharing a perspective, not trying to rationalise.
Here’s a question - how long has it been for you in that company? Also the probation period? People usually tend to work “long hard hours” at first, the question is whether they have spent enough time to demonstrate that consistently.
Btw - ‘x’ years of experience (ie -4 years) doesn’t guarantee right company fitment, nor a leading indicator to one’s commitment/dependability.
Bhai aise seedha seedha nahi bolna hota hai. "Aap Chronology Samajhiye" (in Amit Shah's Voice)
this is not toxic work culture. This is employee stupidity. The moment he said travelling to hill station, the manager would have decided. The employee should have called in sick, and told him about some important deliverables, which he can do it from home.
If you want something appeal to their greed not to their goodwill.
What you just said is toxic work culture where you are promoting telling lies to get your things done. Why cant you build a trust first culture where people understand what's important to you. I think toxicity is so widespread that we have started normalising it
You can feed a snake all the milk you want its not going to get less venomous. Its not toxic culture or anything. Its demand supply economics and human psychology.
Wfh is on a trust basis. You're on probation because the trust hasn't yet been established. Once it is, they seem open to let you wfh. It's not an entitlement.
You clearly stated that you are asking WFH to spend some time on trip. Dude, you are toxic employe... you should have taken a leave and gone with your cousin!!! Your intention are wrong and your manager was very gentle in asking you come to office and say no more!!! Be honest with yourself
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