PMs and Designers collaboration

Anyone who works there/has heard something about the company about its culture/product market fit/runway etc? Any leads would be appreciated 😄

Whenever you a call PM fraud here, they come & put justifications like you don't know business, products built by Engineers are shyt, only PMs can build good products, engineers don't prioritize business needs bla bla. A data scientist/analytics perspective: 1. When we call a PM fraud, we refer to mainly those who come without a background in either of tech or business. Cool wannabes straight out of college & learnt nothing but attitude over years. If a PM was an engineer, or analytics, or business or ops, then others first see him/her as engineer/etc & then a manager. That's the right way it should be. 2. 'Business won't be prioritized' is such a complacency: Business is bread & butter of Analytics and AI. It is the primary thing we check in interviews, a large portion of the interview focus' on the problem statement and prioritisations. End note: PMs are hot, but only when they have a solid foundation in stuff they are building. They need to know depths. Anyone apart from this breed are worthless & Indian startups are filled with this shyt A best PM would be a senior engineer/analyst with penchant for business practicality & customer perspective. Why of 1st Point? Because how can you manage a team when you don't even know what that team does? For eg: I can tell my PM any random blabbing about why model is working/not & she has no idea to judge my words. Leave AI, with tech pipelines too I can give any deadlines & justify it how would she know? Besides if they don't have tech background they bring in random expectations which is far away from feasibility. Why should any tech guy respect them? They can understand business req, connect with business teams and build better. That's the exact role of a project manager.

Looking at the sad state of UX market in India makes me think about the scene few years back. In 2018-19 many folks who found coding or other roles a little difficult switched to UX. UX design was glorified even more by few design influenzaaas as if its the only coolest job left in IT. Most of the experienced designers we see today are earning good but shit in their pants when asked to do good visuals. They are good at talking, use lot of UX jargons and give gyaan on Linkedin comments and constantly ridicule designers who are good at visuals to sound intellectual. We don’t see talented illustrators, motion designers, vfx folks get the appreciation they deserve. Also these skills are difficult and takes hell lot of practice to master and has a high entry barrier as well.

I've been in this field for about 15 years now and post-covid this field has become a borderline joke and I feel embarrassed about Design in India. Do not think that Designing involves ONLY a lot of Visual Design work, importance to "craft", motion design etc. The kind of work you need to do should involve a LOT of user research, planning, testing, domain knowledge, technical knowledge and actual hands on design work. I don't get to do a lot of it today but back in the day it was all that we were taught by our Design Leads. Now because of these influencers whenever I tell people that Design is innovative and based in Behavioural Science, they assume that my work is easy, doesn't take much time, I just have to design screens etc and I keep on explaining to them that you're wrong and there's more to it. Thanks to clown influencers, kids think if they follow these clowns they can get into FAANG or some top tier company. I'm really scared of the state of Design in India 5 years down the line when these design kiddies become more senior.

I started working as a junior product manager last year. Unfortunately within a few months the company ran out of funds and I quit before they shut operations / laid people off as I could sense it was going to happen. I joined another startup and it's been about 6-7 months but in the hunt for revenue and profitability my product isn't important for the company. Not enough developers/ senior PMs/ designers/ is assigned to the product and it is consumed elsewhere even though the overall performance of the product, metrics, have improved. It's hard to work as a junior PM without guidance. I am in 2 minds now if I quit how will other employers perceive it? Will it seem like a frequent switch? And any suggestions for switching or applying anywhere where product guidance is good, not looking for a hike/ but a good company, good product, same pay scale and good guidance.

Engineers saying pms shouldn't exist should for once get what they want. Most engineers I know get anxious enough to take leaves once a customer shouts at them lol

Do anyone else think PMs aren't very good at the things they are supposed to do. It is evident from failing products across industry. Any views??

Curious if there are any PMs who started their careers as product designers or sth similar. If yes, would love to know your story. If someone around is has a similar story, would love to hear that as well!