Bro valorant, apex legends, fortnite are gaming startups, gambling isn't 💀

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@Didu21 epic games is a startup, valued at around $30bn

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Also it becomes extremely tough for new entrants in the market. So currently big players will consolidate their market share

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The insider talk in MPL is that they are bullish on the revenue stabilising after 6 months without a significant impact as the non professional players will keep playing irrespective of these GST rules. You might see a bit of non profitable pro players churn out but the bigger casual player base will just forget about it and move on

Hey viners Not heard a lot about gaming startups after the first 23 weeks of that new GST rule. How are the gaming startups like Dream11, Games24, Junglee, Zupee doing? Has there been in shift in r...

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Not heard a lot about gaming startups after the first 2-3 weeks of that new GST rule. How are the gaming startups like Dream11, Games24, Junglee, Zupee doing?
Has there been in shift in revenue model?

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Online gaming startups are among those rare breeds which were profitable . With this move, even they will be forced to do layoffs..

28% GST on online gaming. Tough times for dream11, mpl etc

Folks at Dream 11, Games24×7, Junglee, etc how's the environment in the office? Have there been any updates from the leadership regarding the direction they'd be taking? 
As of now, here at Gameskraft it's an elephant in the room with everybody in denial, talking about how we can still survive and no updates from leadership yet.

Thoughts on 28% GST for online gaming?

I’m from a esports gaming company. Spoke to my CEO regarding this today morning.  
  
 This move is completely short sighted and reinforces how bad policymakers are in our country. This might kill small companies in the short/medium term altogether.  
  
 Gaming companies based out of India that were looking to raise funding will have the hardest time doing so going forward. 28% GST + income tax on the company end. ₹100 deposited directly being reduced ₹72 in your account. The government ends up earning almost 50% from players AND the company.  
  
 I’m seeing boomers applaud this move as they want the new generation to “focus more on less time wasting activities”, but they don’t know anything about the numbers of the gaming industry outside of India. Indian esports and gaming is just at the beginning of its rise. This move sets it back in terms of investment and revenue heavily.  
  
 Luckily, we’ll have an entity setup in the UAE soon, and that entity will in a few months become the holding entity, with the Indian entity being a subsidiary. Many more companies will do this, and the government will see how this increase in taxes backfires because companies will just create holding entities outside of India :)

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Centre has decided to impose 28% gst on Online gaming. How will companies like Dream11, Games2win, Nazara etc pivot now?

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Looks like the gaming federation is trying really hard to lobby government and get the decision reversed. Any thoughts?

Earlier this week, the 50th GST Council meeting decided that a 28% GST will be levied on the full face value of online gaming.

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Becoz of GST many companies are pivoting or changing gaming algo to make players loose to pay GST. Game of chances are being launched

1. MPL , Launched betting games 
2. Zuppee , teen patti and betting games 
3. Games craft , rummy circle rigged card distribution
4. Tradex , Probo Mostly will shut down 
5. Rummy apps , Better opinion , tamasha and other small companies are planning to shut down RMG part
6. Nazara acquired RMG companies are unable to operate 
7. Octro is closing the RMG app. 

What more ? If anyone knows do share up.

RMG (Real money Gaming) companies going dead

Hoping they all close ASAP. 28% GST  is not enough. It should be higher at 50%.

Westerners used Internet and computing to design better planes and build better engines, our guys are using it to play cards.

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40,000Cr to Dream11
20000Cr to GamesKraft
16,000Cr to Deltacorp

This will be a major blow to the online betting industry. All the top companies have taken a major hit. Will be interesting to see how they recover from it. Deltacorp shares already down 18% today!

Central Board of Indirect Taxes and Customs is likely to send show cause notices to over 40 skill-gaming companies for alleged tax evasion after the Supreme Court stayed a Karnataka High Court judgment

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Should Target Astrology startups as well those are just as dumb-predatory-addicive as online gambling

After 28% GST, what’s the scene like in the offices of fantasy gaming offices?

From what I hear from a friend who is aware of the leadership discussions, MPL might be looking to lay off close to 50% of its workforce and shut down most of its other BU’s to consolidate by October. This would include folks even till the SVP levels. This might be one of the first pins to fall with the 28% GST rule kicking in by October. Dark days ahead for online RMG  industry in India

Massive layoffs coming up at MPL

companies like MPL should not exist in the first place. Why promote gambling?. not for any moral reasons,  if someone wants to gamble, let them go to a casino and do it. Instead, making it easier for some one to gamble at  any time/anywhere is unacceptable.

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I'm talking about real profits, startups that generate good revenue and do not depend on VC money.

Are there any profitable Indian startups?

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Want to start a startup on my own in RMG gaming industry. Is it good idea to start?

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There’s no way they can foot the retrospective GST tax dues to the. Government. What next for them ? Dream 11 is Ambani safe haven - will it somehow get saved. ?

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Five-year-old Gameskraft—which operates Rummy Culture, Gamezy, Rummy Time, among others—touched Rs 2,112 crore revenue in FY22

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