This is reality in India too
Kamlesh
Stealth
9 months ago
You don't need to spoil kids with the best possible education, day care and shit they don't even need.
Today's parents are too much. Our generation didn't even have half the stuff that today's kids do, we still did alright.
Homeschooling is a great and realistic option that most people don't even consider. They just want to justify breaking their backs without even asking their own family if they need all that extra money and privileges.
Homeschooling works if we are home to school them. But most of our hours are spent at work and commute :')
Kamlesh
Stealth
9 months ago
Yes, but you're working to earn more to be able to afford good schooling. One parent staying back isn't unreasonable when you don't have to worry about school and travel costs which are significant by themselves.
Plus you can fast track their learning using all of the tools and knowledge available on the internet. Just need to guide their curiosity and let them choose a career early on according to their interests.
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The previous generation had their eldest son as their retirement plan plus the housing market allowed to them grow families. These boomera hoarding crazy amount of wealth has put millennials in this position where having a child just doesn't make sense.
More focus on individualism, women participating in work force are some other factors.
This recent video by kurzgesagt on the same topic https://youtu.be/LBudghsdByQ is great.
I studied in a Govt school in Kerala and came out decent. Costed me 200 Rs per year.
BiryaniEnthu
Stealth
9 months ago
Bet you wouldn't put your kids to govt school in kerala
Not gonna pay most of my salaries for exorbitant school fees definitely. If I get laid off or something will definitely consider this as an option.
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Uddh
Stealth
9 months ago
I agree with you
South Korea also suffers the problem of foreign brides. Since most Korean women are well educated and now participate in workforce(which is good thing), the marriage rate has declined since women no longer need to marry a man for survival.
As a consequence many Korean men marry poor women from neighbor countries. These women learn Korean, learn how to cook n all. There are even coaching centres for. Families of these women charge money for marrying off their daughters.
Downside being these women are treated like a commodity and often times are victim of domestic violence.
Indusplateau
Stealth
9 months ago
Contrarion opinion.
The educated and urban ares are now acting like South Korea in India.
Go to tier 6. And you will find a guy and girl married and having kids at 26.
India is not one country. It is mix bag.
The second order effect I fear is the K shape economy of the country. With the rich getting richer with smaller families they will have more wealth too.
majboormajdoor
Stealth
9 months ago
I still think it's reverting to mean. The high birth rates and population growth from 60s till 2000s increased the burden on resources with very few (top 5%) enjoying the spoils and life of over 90% getting harder to get by.
Even if the birth rates plummet, it's gonna take a 100-150 yrs for our population to halve (4B), which is still the population of 1960s. The only downside is an aged demographic, nothing else.
To top it all, most of these jobs, most economy and most expenses are towards bullshit things. Not like people are gonna die of hunger or be homeless. So population decline is a non-issue.
Qwerty2398
Stealth
9 months ago
Maybe people who live in cities would agree to this. In my village 2 child is a minimum in each family some still have 4 or even 5.
The problem in india is the people who are vocal are usually city based salaried employees. Thanks to their job, they see people around the world. extrapolate the same to India as well.
To give some perspective, a small business in an Indian village will earn twice that of an entry level software engineer. When ever we talk of village we imagine the small farmers who sell 1 or two kinds of vegetable in a cart. They are just 1 of the many small traders in india. Tech bros need a reality check.
Small business will earn twice of entry level software engineer? WITCH starting salary is 25k, you're telling me small businesses in villages make 50k a month?
Qwerty2398
Stealth
9 months ago
many do more than 50K... earning in business do not follow regular monthly income.. Earnings are always seasonal. in year they will earn 7-8 Laks easily. Do not pick up a improvised village in bihar just for argument.
Fan_Boi
Stealth
9 months ago
India is heading the Korea way.
I pay 22k as my kids school fee without meals and transport.
It's a good school, but not enrolled in their IB curriculum.
Her post school activities cost another 8k and she is in 1st.
Raising a kid these days is equivalent to paying a mid size car's EMI.
I earn pretty decently, but still cannot afford a 2nd kid without increasing my retirement age by 10 years.
That's the reality in Urban India.
There are schools charging less than 10k in NCR too, but every parent tried to get the kid atleast 1 level better than what they got.
Kamlesh
Stealth
9 months ago
Go for homeschool with Montessori teaching. Kid will learn out of interest rather than being forced. Private schools have become factories, kids unnecessarily bullied and under pressure to perform.
What post school activities if I may ask ? Are those by school or self initiatives ?
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This is actually kind of insane if you ask me. This only means that being a smart Indian is not the only requisite but instead you need to build generational wealth for your kids.
Crazy stuff
I do see this happening in India as well
As you become more individualistic as a society, parents and children start meaning lesser to you. You want to spend time on yourself, your parties, your travel, than spend it for others.
Is that good? Is that bad? Who knows…
What do you folks feel?
BiryaniEnthu
Stealth
9 months ago
I don't think its individualistic
Practical maybe
But why practical? As in it’s just a sign of the times
Doesn’t make the previous ways impractical does it?
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Indusplateau
Stealth
9 months ago
Also read the ponzi scheme of retirement.
Tanmay adds fun, many of you will feel it as joke due to crypto but this is the reality
https://youtu.be/IsqoJuhQK-M?si=-5uXuklj5eU0YR6p
D0nkey05
Stealth
9 months ago
We are buying things we don't need to show off to people who don't really care. I read something along these lines and I think that's true to a large extent. Just travel in the Delhi Metro and you'll witness a staggering number of people with iphones. People who(most likely) don't have money to afford private transport are paying EMIs just to have a phone worth 1L+. In an ideal world that doesn't make sense. I mean each(decent) family in urban areas has 2 or more cars. My parents still walk of the distance is under 2-3km. My generation (including me) would use a 2 wheeler just to get groceries. By no stretch of imagination I'm saying that I don't indulge in the said behaviour, but yes, I do think this is more of a manufactured problem i.e. capitalism.
(Really bad at shaping arguments, so this is a mix of haphazardly put together statements)
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