Why does Walmart keep pumping soo much money even with unnecessary things with Flipkart?
1. Migrating PhonePe to India 1B $ in useless tax 2. Like that stupid separation of PhonePe from Flipkart ~0.7B $ 3. Now this 3.5B$ just to increase its stake when it was already a majority owner! What's going on?
Maybe,
Taking on Reliance retail and Amazon in India?
Tech infra for Walmart (random guess)
100% or ownership yields absolute power
They must really really believe or be desparate to win India. Because no matter how u see, this is not a slam duck winner business. There is competition already & reliance is simply biding it's time.
That's what I want to understand why so desperate for Flipkart 😊. Good thing, it's my company & we are not doing that bad but still puzzled
At the end of the day, it's the Indian market. That's the competition, and not really the competitors.
India is too big a market to ignore. Amazon India has put in more money than 3.5
No dude. Sure, population wise but actual revenue is nothing in front of the rest. (We are a low income country na.. this is true for any company, we have volume but value is too small)
We are barely a drop in a bucket in front of Europe and America revenue .
For eg for Amazon-
I think American revenue is 160B$
UK, Germany already give ~ 20Billion each
We are barely 5Billion $
This makes me think other way around. Flipkart is the only face of Walmart against Amazon anywhere in the world. And since it's just pocket change for them (these 3-4B$ for a 600B$ fortune 1 company ), they don't mind putting that in to just jab Amazon..😅
They're thinking 20 years down the line ! China for ex currently buys more luxury goods than the whole of Europe, they want to cement a place for themselves in the Indian market by that time !!
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You need to read more on PhonePe IPO plans and mandates associated with going public in Indian markets. Calling something “useless” without knowing the full details isnt a good idea.
No, pinning a billion down the drain on just the hope of IPO seems like a good idea?
They hope IPO will succeed. PayTM bombed and is still down 50% even after more than year of its IPO.
A billion dollar flushed for tax not even as an investment but to just IPO an app which already has a govt backed competitor, one that's working smooth as butter, I see very less sense there.
With BHIM we don't really need PhonePe. It's pretty fast & reliable as well. Only thing that's keeping phonepe afloat is marketing & maybe benefits of non monopoly...!
Who lost that 50%? please please read about it!
With BHIM, PayTM shudnt have existed as well, they IPOed, how & why? ;)
Let’s do a poll here to check how many people here are using BHIM Vs PayTM/PhonePe/XYZ.
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Dihaadi
Stealth
a year ago
India is going to be the major consumer economy after US in 5-10 yrs. Reliance has already pumped a few 100 billions from Dhirubhai’s time to buy government goodwill aka clout.
Read about Amazon vs Reliance in future group battle. To win a country market you need government goodwill. This is the cost of that goodwill.
Contrary to your economic opinion, burning money , wasting money et al. Folks who have made billions in multiple countries , are not more foolish than their employee.
LastDanceWithMJ
Stealth
a year ago
Think a little slower - if they are putting billions in recession, it's certainly not stupid.
You want to earn money in finance - yeah distribution wins you fees but lending wins you (interest) spread. And licenses are not giving to anyone, incorporated anywhere where your can't enforce your regulations... Even Navi struggled to get license.
If you own something completely, it makes a lot of compliances easier. But if you own a perceived bank completely, it will never be a bank as it will never get the license.
I hope you got the direction. Billions don't flow on stupidity :)
Calm down. When the businesses are oligarchic and this big - its also a bit of a macro-economic play. Very large companies take acquisition decisions w decades in mind.
They’re not betting on today’s revenue or even next year’s ARR, they’re buying the next 5+ years of growth driven by Indian consumers by valuing it today.
Very similar to how Fb buying Whatsapp in 2014 was bizarre but now all major brands want to do retention marketing on Whatsapp in India.
user_140
Stealth
a year ago
TBH Walmart is a lost cause and too low on innovation. For them Flipkart is the shining star which has the potential to put them with the popular guys. Its their last ditch attempt to gain some attention and see if there is more that they can achieve.
Its like Microsoft acquiring Open AI for them.
TinyBoxers
Stealth
a year ago
1. Regulators favor Indian domiciled structures. It's now difficult to incorporate a company outside with an Indian subsidiary
2. I think there is a positioning and story angle for the split. Market leaders in the commerce (flipkart) and financial services (phonepe) space is how Walmart will play along.
3. Walmart needs to justify value/growth to its shareholders. Assuming US is steady state, these are the new avenues. Also it's interesting to note that Vanguard and Blackrock are majority shareholders in Walmart (~$30B stake) - these funds are long (bullish) in India.
figuringoutshit
Stealth
2 months ago
Simple explaination - they know somethinh you or I don't. Corporates esp those coming from outside India aren't betting money emotionally, these are well thought out decisions.
Maybe, Walmart could be eyeing the entire APAC with the solid products Flipkart (and maybe PhonePe). For a cash rich company like Walmart, they can definitely play around as well
#1 and #2 were not stupid, maybe there’s more at play than you realize. Bit of research would have helped.
All FinTechs who are registered outside India will need to come back and register in India if they ever want to get licensed or IPO both.
Separating from Flipkart is also for similarly reason.
IPO. Plus PhonePe has started a Payment Aggregator business, they might have the PA-PG license in mind, which is not very easy to get. Just ask Razorpay, PayU, Cashfree and PayTm, they’re still struggling to get it.
Nobody pumps billions into stupidity, unless you’re Softbank.
Simple phonepe and Flipkart will be a open for global market. Now recently opened they have entered in share market also. Within ten years they will capture full Market 😀
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