BubblyHamster
BubblyHamster

Task Master vs Empathetic leader

In my corporate experience, I have observed two kinds of leaders - 1) A hard task master, very high on IQ but more often than not low on EQ and 2) High on EQ, above avg on IQ. I as a manager/ leader fall under 2) and usually get work done without authority but I do experience at times, some peers and reportees taking advantage of my behaviour

In my view, anecdotally I see type 1) leaders succeed more in corporates even if it comes at the cost of facing flak/hate from directs/indirects. One of my previous managers was unpopular for his toxicity but somehow I kind of built a decent bond with him. Once over drinks and dinner, he candidly told me, I'm not here in this organization for making friends and I'm here only to get results and he did deliver on results every year.

My question is, can type 2 leaders even climb up the ladder specially where cut throat competition exists. Sometimes I do feel I need to be more like type 1 leaders obviously not at the cost of toxicity - disrespect, shouting etc.

What are your thoughts?

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FloatingRaccoon
FloatingRaccoon

I completely agree with you. My manager was so so toxic that after some time, it became unbearable for me to survive in that environment even for a minute and I resigned. I have no doubts that the manager would be able to succeed in corporates. She is a corporate shark, knows how to get the work done by shouting at other team members, threatening them, and making them work for 17-18 hours a day. I, on the other hand, took stand for my juniors when I saw that they were working for very long hours. And because of this reason, I was forced to resign and I'm unemployed currently. During my break from work, I kept on analysing the situation, however, I have been unable to come up with a conclusion.

I have also seen such toxic people climbing up the ladder. And it often comes to my mind that how do the type 2 people survive and grow in corporates?

FloatingRaccoon
FloatingRaccoon

Like my question is that there is a difference between corporate correct and ethically correct. Now which one should we follow to succeed?

BubblyHamster
BubblyHamster

Yea, pretty much the question that continues haunting my mind too.

QuirkyBanana
QuirkyBanana

I am type 1 and I received very strong upward feedback from my team members. This year I role played as type 2. Barring a couple of team members every single person has taken advantage. Our customer satisfaction scores are severely impacted, multiple deadlines were missed. Being Type 2 only works when your team members are genuine and give equal importance to work and life

GroovyMuffin
GroovyMuffin

You learnt a lesson probably but I agree with you. Sometimes accommodating managers do burn their hands when they stand up for their team.
Be considerate but dont compromise on quality or timelines otherwise it will hurt your own career growth

BubblyHamster
BubblyHamster

Well said!

QuirkyCoconut
QuirkyCoconut

As an IC I can tell you are a great manager to work with. Are you an SDM by any chance?

BubblyHamster
BubblyHamster

No bro, I'm on the non-tech, program management side

BubblyHamster
BubblyHamster

Have a great bonding with the team, but the leadership continues to be ruthless at the cost of mental health issues

JumpyPotato
JumpyPotato

This is such a great post!

Finally something really nice, deep and insightful in Grapevine! It compels us to think deeper and understood human behavior. Thanks for sharing bro.

You know, the problem with everything in India is with people. We people collectively are more or less bad. Plain bad.

We look for shortcuts and tricks to play on to save ourselves from hard things. Even at the cost of playing someone else, won't think twice before lying, scamming, use etc.

You do you bro. Whatever type you have fundamentally as a natural behaviour by birth, maintain that.

We can't change anything in the world. But we can atleast do our individual parts and stay true and fair to ourselves as well as the people we share our lives with.

I can't help you with gyaan on what you should do and why, but can only request you to stay true to your core nature. If it's type 1, stay like that. If it's type 2, then type 2. Dont change your core when none of the options are evil/harmful to others.

More power to you bro! All the very best! 🙌

JumpyPotato
JumpyPotato

Maafi for the typos ploxx 🙏

BubblyHamster
BubblyHamster

Well said bro! I have tried becoming type 1 leader for a brief period and honestly it just trumped my life principles where I did not feel satisfied or happy. Worse was the behaviour getting translated to personal life , eg: I once shouted at my househelp for taking 3 days leave without even informing me. Got to know that she had an medical emergency at home. I trusted her with this info and then felt a bit guilty about shouting on her. Anyway the conclusion I have made is and as some people have rightly called out is the skill to have a mix of both and use it basis people and situations. Easier said than done but that's what the goal is.

WobblyRaccoon
WobblyRaccoon

Purely based on personal opinion, have seen both type 1 & 2 reach high positions.

It purely depends on your bonding with your senior and how fast they rise.

As you grow, position become sparse and referrals are key.

So evaluate which senior person in your org will grow fast and start building rapport with them

FloatingHamster
FloatingHamster
Student6mo

Trust me if your leadership encourages ruthless mindless competition and gives a toxic environment there is no way you can bond with them . This is why many quit good companies because of toxic leaders. Like the author quoted , some are in the org to grow only themselves and make money not to build relationships.

WobblyRaccoon
WobblyRaccoon

In my experience, very few people are so white and black.

I am not talking about having friendship/ bonding. Very few people are lucky to have such bosses. It’s having a good working relationship where they trust you and you trust them. You don’t have to be drinking buddy outside the office.

I have seen people having good equation with toxic bosses (both in India and abroad) irrespective of how they are.

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