Mostly designers and frontend devs dont get the recognition like the backend folks. Have seen this in my company.

Software Developer

Product Designer

Yeah this is true iam a designer and I have to teach myself code and front-end integration  to get respected in my company, now I design and I code , and my Manger changed my job title to U/Ux  engineer. 
  
 Still unless u get into good b2c company it's same every.  
 I have 1.5 years of experience  , I get paid same as developers,  my Manger wrote beyond expectations  in my appraisal.  
  
 I do freelancing too and I make in total more money that developers  too . Actually  I make more money than all junior developers in my team. 20 k more

UX/UI Designer

We don't have pure designers who can't code, FE tech and CS all collaborate for UI

Backend Engineer

Should have made it a poll. And to answer your question...yes.

Founder

Just wanted to get it out of my system. Hence the long format

My company acts like developers are the sole reason the app ui exists. I’m not trying to diss them, it’s a team effort, everyone is involved.   But when features go live it feels like nobody gives ...

My company acts like developers are the sole reason the app ui exists. I’m not trying to diss them, it’s a team effort, everyone is involved. 

But when features go live it feels like nobody gives a shit. If it does well, devs get commended. Design is never given any recognition. It feels like no matter how much we do, we’re never contributing enough to be considered impactful even if numbers are going up. Is this the case everywhere?

Do all product companies treat designers like they don’t do much?

Do all product companies treat designers like they don’t do much?- Grapevine

Cred is overly done and confusing now. 
It is like a nightmare for designers.
What has been done on the app bro. Ek cheeze dhundhne me itna time lag raha

What do designers think about Cred's design? 😅

Software Engineer

Mostly so called "Design Leaders" "mentors" are always spewing gyaan in my office, LinkedIn, social media but actually fail to implement those stuff. Every other week we have this call where designers are supposed to talk about a topic and every designer comes with such complex presentations, use big words as if they are saving the world or something. They unnecessarily complicate such simple topics and then go on to call themselves designers 🤡

Why are product designers so pretentious?

Welcome to Indian Startups's Private Community

In early startups specially in b2b, product designers are not designers they're rather design support. Always restricted to reach till minimum viable ux.

Though whatever gets shipped at the end is better from past but power of shaping product is largely placed at PM's table and engeneering table (feasibility). 
Now you can avoid complaing and show high agency, partner with PM in defining Product but the default power house is still PM, not the designer. Also you don't have time for this because designs need to shipped to add to next sprint.

At the end you just take a deep breath and sigh because you made something better, bit better if not far from what existed before.

I guess high impact/ product definition work gets done by designer in big orgs only not only early age startups.

Product designer rant

I just want to know how designers and pms are placed in a company? 

Because where I work I feel the PM is really dumb and she doesn't understand ux or even a bit a sense of visual design on how ui should work. She says "I don't really care how a button looks as long as it's there on the page". 

And I keep her in loop for feedbacks and she just doesn't understand the problem statement. Initially I thought maybe I'm not explaining it correctly but it's almost a year now and I feel she's dumb. 

She's actually a friend of the CEO so she agrees to whatever he says and he's kind of similar so I don't really know what to say. 

Also, I always work on a new project without having a PRD in place. So again is that how it's supposed to go where I do the PMs job and a product designers job or how is it? 

Any comments or thoughts are appreciated 🙏

PMs and Designers collaboration

It seems unfair to me and others like me who are trying to get into the industry. People who are in the industry very well know that they didn't get an entry because they did some Jony Ive-level work. The majority of them simply got lucky in 2021. Now everyone wants superheroes in the name of product design. I wish I was doing the same job search in 2021, things would have been different.

Designers Rant

Product Manager

Welcome to Product Managers's Private Community

Engineers saying pms shouldn't exist should for once get what they want. Most engineers I know get anxious enough to take leaves once a customer shouts at them lol

Pms shouldn't exist folks should get what they want

Computer Operator

Field is saturated and you will seriously struggle to find work. Not gate keeping, just laying out the reality. If you're up for the challenge then good, if not then you should look at some other fields.

Product design is kind of weird now and is tougher than you think. It is no more a creative field where you can come up with unique ideas or have fun creating stuff. It is intoxicating, tedious and requires constant fighting with the stakeholders, listening to your micro managers and implementing stuff they "ordered" you to do disguised as feedback. Did I say, it is mostly copy work nowadays and portraying it as a whole new feature/design that is unique to your org/team?

It’s 1% creativity, 99% stroking the ego of your managers and bosses just so you don't get laid off.

(Not at capgemini, burner account)

To all the new Product Designers/UX Designers thinking this field is easy to get into. This is the reality of our field

I've been in this field for about 15 years now and post-covid this field has become a borderline joke and I feel embarrassed about Design in India.

Do not think that Designing involves ONLY a lot of Visual Design work, importance to "craft", motion design etc.

The kind of work you need to do should involve a LOT of user research, planning, testing, domain knowledge, technical knowledge and actual hands on design work.  I don't get to do a lot of it today but back in the day it was all that we were taught by our Design Leads.

Now because of these influencers whenever I tell people that Design is innovative and based in Behavioural Science, they assume that my work is easy, doesn't take much time, I just have to design screens etc and I keep on explaining to them that you're wrong and there's more to it.

Thanks to clown influencers, kids think if they follow these clowns they can get into FAANG or some top tier company.

I'm really scared of the state of Design in India 5 years down the line when these design kiddies become more senior.

Former Design Head here, Here's my advice to designers today

Growth Manager

Iam a product designer, plus ui developer 
Iam a full time ui developer in my 9_5 company ( angular,tailwind,ionic)
And iam a product designer in my second company .
Basically I deigned and launched a web app for edtech space, where we try to teach data science and machine learning to kids.

I do like product design more ,but  the reason iam sticking onto ui front-end is I feel like designers don't get much respect, people tell of its just colors and stuff, 
Iam thinking if I know design and also front-end, will I be able to jump to a better company with better pay,?

I have 1 .5 years of experience.

UX with coding is it worth it?

been working at a product based startup as the only ui/ ux designer for over 6 months now. work is usually solving for and designing new features, or thinking redesign from user grievances. the products were already designed for them by an agency before my joining and feel poorly designed to me, but does the job for the users. decisions regarding usage and the how-tos of implementation are taken by the product leads.

in such a scenario, i don't see myself taking product decisions, but i try to suggest my ideas (mostly accepted) when we frame the requirements and solutions. how do i grow from just largely only designing what my leads tell me, to actually making an impact with the products we have?

background- i'm an electronics engineer, landed a design internship at a startup a little before graduation and they offered a full time role after. accepted it over my placement and it's been over 6 months in this role.

thanks & cheers :)

Growth as a designer?

Visual Designer

Should devs be given the onus to give design feedback on how UX of a product should be?

Dilemma: Designers vs Developers

I mean seriously every person who is ask this question says, I am really passionate about design, and solving problems, but are you really passionate? Have you ever sat down asked your self this question?
So recently I was giving an interview and the person asked what made me get into UX Design and I answered the with the same line, and the expression that person gave me really made me question, whether am I really passionate about UX Design. Please think before when you say this in an interview.

Why did you get into Product Design?

Senior UI/UX Designer

Looking at the sad state of UX market in India makes me think about the scene few years back. In 2018-19 many folks who found coding or other roles a little difficult switched to UX. 

UX design was glorified even more by few design influenzaaas as if its the only coolest job left in IT.

Most of the experienced designers we see today are earning good but shit in their pants when asked to do good visuals. They are good at talking, use lot of UX jargons and give gyaan on Linkedin comments and constantly ridicule designers who are good at visuals to sound intellectual.

We don’t see talented illustrators, motion designers, vfx folks get the appreciation they deserve. Also these skills are difficult and takes hell lot of practice to master and has a high entry barrier as well.

Market ruined because of low entry barrier in UX Design? 🤔

Business Analyst

Engineers take the credits on engineering,
Designers on design aspect, Etc.

Product managers don't can't usually own something and the sense of winning dosnet come very much along.

Ever feel like what you do is of no worth?

Support Specialist

I am working at a design agency from 2 years with a CTC between 4 to 6 LPA which way to less considering my experience and the work I am doing handling multiple clients, delivering Designs in tight deadlines and yet getting paid way to less. But considering current situation the market is so saturated that I don't hear from companies that I have applied for.

Design studio pays way too less than a product company to Product(UX) Designers

Someone: "No, I will not use Comic Sans as the header for the app" 😂

Do you also think that people don't let designers work properly?

Business Development Manager

I’m interviewing at a bunch of companies and most of them want a generalist in the product designer position. Expecting to take on every responsibility possible, leaving no room for any sort of work-life balance. 

Founders/co-founders, listen up. You might be obsessed with the problem you’re solving. Do not expect others to be equally obsessed. With all due respect, we’re here to look after ourselves and our families. You disguise these additional responsibilities as “learning opportunities” which is absolutely bollocks. You don’t even offer to pay accordingly. 

Just needed to rant. If anyone else here has a different point of view, I’m open to changing my opinions.

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