I just report and block all such messages on whatsApp. Why even put effort to type “Stop”!

Software Engineer

Software Developer

Customer Service

Bound to happen when on-time delivery is the key result in OKR :) 
 Also happens when PM verified considering himself as the target user, and engineering had no frigging idea about the user and they just built it for the PM. :(

Strategy & Operations

Every vendor which sells such bots and every PM who doesn’t test it are to be blamed for such fiasco

Growth Manager

Every vendor which sells such bots and every PM who doesn’t test it are to be blamed for such fiasco- Grapevine

Welcome to Software Engineers's Private Community

Do anyone else think PMs aren't very good at the things they are supposed to do.
It is evident from failing products across industry.
Any views??

Are PMs even revelant?

Welcome to Product Managers's Private Community

While I 100% agree that a PM at a company like Juspay that sells technical products needs to have good technical proficiency to the extent of understanding code as well, why are there no EMs? In a company that's as engineering driven as Juspay, it is all the more important to have EMs who bring in valuable 8+ years of industry experience and have the know how of guiding engineers on building reliable scalable systems and logic. I learnt that Juspay expects PMs to do it all. 
Questions to Juspay PMs : Do you conduct sprint planning meetings? Are you responsible for the Engg team's performance metrics like sprint deliverance ratio, production issues caused, bugs raised, etc. ? What's the importance and significance given to hardcore product work like doing quality product discoveries ? Do you do code reviews? Are you responsible for Engg downtimes? Given that you are donning multiple hats and doing more than one person's work, what's your WLB like? A good way to measure this is how much time do you get to pursue your personal hobbies, say like hitting the gym, on a daily basis ?

Why does Juspay not have EMs?

Investor

It’s clear that companies won’t need engineers 10 years from now. 

They’ll just need people who know what to make. Who to sell to. How to sell to. At what price. 

This will be the great commoditization of Software development

Take it or leave it.

[Hot Take] AI will make SWEs redundant, PMs and Marketers will become the most important job

This is an L take for someone who works at Google
It is supremely obvious that SWEs are about to enter the golden era of Software Engineering. We are easily foreseeing 2x-2.5x improvement in developer productivity rate. You should go touch some grass or else you will end up becoming PM guru who shills substandard-courses to poor kids.

Product Manager

Product Marketing Manager

Would you rather be an Engineer learning how to Product or a Product Manager learning how to Engineer?

Answer is obvious mate. And it's already in motion. 
 Everyone knows current product management breed is a messed up fraudulent bunch. They will run into poverty if they don't change ways🙂

Founding Engineer

I'm a software engineer with very little knowledge of what pms and strategy people do but whatever the level gpt might achieve in future, it may make coding jobs redundant but I believe product roles would still be `safe`. Thoughts?

PM/ Strategy roles AI safe?

I blame parents for this. Not that coaching centres are saints, they suck the life out of students by making them study 24/7 but the reason that child is in coaching centre is because parents put him/her there.

And every suicide letter I have read from students mentions that they couldn't fulfil parents expectations.

They are the reason their child is in that condition, just because they want to brag and seek validation  from so called society that their child is a prodigy (and want to establish that they are the creator of this prodigy) who went to medical/IIT. And if the child doesn't act acc. to their expectations, they start gaslighting them "We gave you birth" "Maa baap bhagwan ka roop hote hai how dare you blame us Or don't listen to us" 
I once watched a movie (don't remember the name) where actress says "As parent we determine if our child needs tuition classes but at same time we fail to know if he/she needs therapy"

Who do you think is to be blamed? 

Also parents on GV don't push your child if he doesn't want to fly, thinking he has wings, he may fall to death.

The Court was hearing a PIL filed by a Mumbai-based doctor Aniruddha Narayan Malpani who blamed coaching institutes for driving students to death

SC blames parents for Kota suicides, refuses to rein in coaching centres

Who do think is responsible for stress? Parents or coaching mafia?

The root cause of all this is overpopulation and a shortage of jobs. Coaching centers and tough parenting only exist as a consequence of this

Product Owner

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Incoming!. Every FAANG PM is thinking about and working on integrating Gen AI into their features. 

This includes PMs and engineers who oversee 1-2 features in the entire product. And will oversell their part in it.

For promotions to job switches these guy have to shout ‘I used a lot of Gen AI to change the world’

And then to sell it on LinkedIn for getting likes.

The PMs will sound like they were just as visionary as Sam Altman who made GPT in the first place. 

And the engineers will sound like they coded GPT and will invent AGI themselves while they just integrate 2 APIs.

You’ve been warned.

Wave of Smug AI PMs and engineers from FAANG

This is not about the PMs. It is the PM directors or the CEOs that want AI AI AI in everything in their company. 

AI makes it easy to get a promotion or get follow on funding

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The government has asked artificial intelligence platforms to seek its permission before launching an AI product in the country.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/technology/ai-models-must-take-permission-before-launching-to-indian-public-says-government-12388631.html

Here we go again. Government asks firms to take permission to launch AI models

1. High pressure on timelines- business and top management shits on you if you don’t deliver on time
2. No power to control the outcome- engineers don’t listen to you neither does the design or analytics team, you end up begging for resources
3. Too much politics- business or a senior PM can steal your bandwidth anytime
4. Lack of recognition- if it succeeds business did it, if it fails it is product teams fault (engg never gets blamed for shit)

I believe Product Management is a really toxic role

Opinion on this! Doesnt seem like a sponsored ad since he has listed all the competitors so..

Stupid move by Indian government in GenAi sector

Whenever you a call PM fraud here, they come & put justifications like you don't know business, products built by Engineers are shyt, only PMs can build good products, engineers don't prioritize business needs bla bla.

A data scientist/analytics perspective:
1. When we call a PM fraud, we refer to mainly those who come without a background in either of tech or business. Cool wannabes straight out of college & learnt nothing but attitude over years.
If a PM was an engineer, or analytics, or business or ops, then others first see him/her as engineer/etc & then a manager. That's the right way it should be. 

2. 'Business won't be prioritized' is such a complacency:
Business is bread & butter of Analytics and AI. It is the primary thing we check in interviews, a large portion of the interview focus' on the problem statement and prioritisations.

End note: PMs are hot, but only when they have a solid foundation in stuff they are building. They need to know depths. Anyone apart from this breed are worthless & Indian startups are filled with this shyt
A best PM would be a senior engineer/analyst with penchant for business practicality & customer perspective.

Why of 1st Point? Because how can you manage a team when you don't even know what that team does? For eg: I can tell my PM any random blabbing about why model is working/not & she has no idea to judge my words. Leave AI, with tech pipelines too I can give any deadlines & justify it how would she know? Besides if they don't have tech background they bring in random expectations which is far away from feasibility. Why should any tech guy respect them? They can understand business req, connect with business teams and build better. That's the exact role of a project manager.

Product Manager Worth & their insecure justifications

Met a PM from IIT / IIM with 4 years of experience. He is working at a  well know soonicorn at a salary of 17  lakhs per year . He used to draw 30 lakhs per year in his last role before we was laid off . Interesting Times ahead

PM Salaries Have Crashed.

A minute of silence to all the grapevine polls where salary expectations are so high 😁

Three people died and six were injured after a portion of the roof of the Delhi airport's Terminal-1 fell on cars, including taxis, Delhi Fire Services officials said. These were pre-monsoon rains only, as monsoon is yet to arrive in the city.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi virtually inaugurated Terminal 1 of the Indira Gandhi International Airport in Delhi on March 10, 2024.

The roof of the Dumna Airport in Jabalpur, which was renovated at a cost of around Rs 450 crore and inaugurated by PM Narendra Modi on 10 March 2024, could not last the first rain.

Crores were spent to build Ayodhya as a high-tech city. But after the first rain, newly-built areas are submerged in water.

There have been many more examples since we gained independence in 2014.

Golden period since 2014

Yes, many people have seen Narendra Modi personally mixing low quality Cement and other materials while building the constructions. We should vote for Rahul who did Masters in Architecture and the Taj Mahal, Red Fort and other constructions built by him still stands good.

Senior Engineer

Consultant

It is what it is

Have been hearing from many Product aspirants that certain famous Product Influencers have scammed them with promising referrals, jobs and mentorship via their Topmate links or courses. This appears to be true across the board including Product communities that prey on these people. 

What is even happening?

Public Service: Why is it that Product Influencers abuse their power?

Analyst

Note - I am a product manager too

4 out of 5 product managers will act all high and mighty of themselves, bragging their way as if they run everything going on in the company, flaunting their business degrees and being utterly disrespectful towards their team( dev design qa name it), 

Recently started going to office so the attitude I am seeing is very transparent and more visible (more with the higher experience folks)

It makes me wanna leave this hyper inflated role, thinking of I will end up like them scares me, and you have to do is speak out jargons in meetings day in day out and have a English accent of Shashi Tharoor.

Recently my manager told that this is a role where you have to very representable or very visible and act in floor as if you are the busiest person on earth and I seriously some PMs in company doing that, they walk so fast in floor as if they will fall off or would be better to have 4 legs.

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