SillyQuokka

Software Engineers as seen by a Product Manager...

SillyQuokka · 2024-04-08T12:35:59.523915+05:30

1. They are the most overpaid people in India. 2. They have no work life balance and they don't even know what it means. 3. They think they are the best at everything, but they can't do anything right. 4. They are always complaining about their job and how much they hate it. 5. They are never satisfied with their salary or benefits package. 6. They are always looking for new jobs because they think they deserve better than what they currently have. Would you like to add anything else here?

They are the most overpaid people in India.
They have no work life balance and they don't even know what it means.
They think they are the best at everything, but they can't do anything right.
They are always complaining about their job and how much they hate it.
They are never satisfied with their salary or benefits package.
They are always looking for new jobs because they think they deserve better than what they currently have.

Would you like to add anything else here?

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FluffyNugget

Swiggy8mo

PM as seen by Engineers:

Doesn't do anything other than throwing random jargons
Can't explain what they do other than say how they are not Program manager or something else

SnoozyBoba

Microsoft8mo

PMs are even overpaid than SWEs considering the work and skillset difference between them.

SnoozyBoba

Microsoft8mo

More*

ZoomyBiscuit

ClearTrip8mo

They are lazy, want WFH to laze around. Will ask 3 weeks for a 3 day project and nobody can question them.

In those 3 weeks of “Work from home” they will mostly chill, deliver a shabby project in 3 last days. And then crib about work-life balance.

Selfish max without any company or team loyalty

FluffyNarwhal

Amazon8mo

If you offer shit pay, you get shit talent.

What, did you expect a fully functional, resilient, reliable product from the 3 freshers you hired for 10 LPA each? Rather than the one senior at 65?

Sounds like a management problem to me.

ZoomyBiscuit

ClearTrip8mo

Project quality is a different issue.

Expensive or inexpensive engineers still feel WFH is a birth right and asking for accountability is a management torture

BouncyCoconut

Stealth8mo

Product Manager as seen by Software engineer:

Just a new name for erstwhile Project Manager.
Thinks 9 females can deliver a baby in 1 month.
Doesn't understand what is feasibility study.
Want everything done as of yesterday.

Many more but can't waste more time on product managers..

Exception are those who have transitioned from Software engineer to Project/Product manager after working extensively as software engineer. They understand what software engineer does.

Product Managers will be the first to be made redundant by AI.

SillyQuokka

Stealth8mo

@MythicalStranger Most likely it will be a PM who will use AI to MVP+validate his idea/thesis making tons of Junior SDEs redundant lmao.

BouncyCoconut

Stealth8mo

If PM's were that good then they wouldn't be such a pain in a** for software engineers.

Using AI to create a working MVP would still need (at minimum) :

understanding of which tech stack to use
how to set up environment to run MVP. (theory and real life scenarios are different).
debugging to fit & fine tune the AI generated code for MVP.

Unless you think static screen's as MVP.

SquishyQuokka

Gojek8mo

Most are not team players and only care about themselves.
Most can never be creative problem solvers and rely too heavily on algorithms instead of thinking outside the box.
Years of StackOverflow+LC has rotten their brain to rote-memorize algorithms for interviews. No innovation in any algorithm by any Indian dev I have met.
They are not good communicators and often come across as arrogant or condescending.

Can't wait for AI to automate some of these jobs.