Wake up at 4 am or work 70+ hours per week

Yeah right Elon, we know you work 100 hrs a week

Software Developer

Hard for me to say, but this works if you are ina sunrise sector and the company is also growing profitable. I personally know at least a dozen people who joined Infosys in the late 90s who today own multiple properties.

Am yet to see a poor mid level startup employee. I don't think there is any middle class person as a leadership level employee of a VC funded startup.
Working 70hrs make you rich, but depends on the role.

Consultant

Founder

Trading stocks and crypto. Not worth playing around with chump change and losing sleep over it. Better to save small amounts and invest long term.

Generalist

Analytics Manager

1. Getting a ba, bsc, bcom degree just for the sake of it.  
 2. Thinking what that other successfull individual brother sister friend did to be successful will work for them also.  
 3. Doing the same things even if results are negative.

Software Engineer

Staff Engineer

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What are the things that broke people think they're supposed to do to get wealthy that will never work

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1. Real estate (invested value)
2. Liquid cash
3. Other Investments (invested value)

The wealth should not be inherited.

I'm 30. No house, 10L in cash and 5L in mutual funds. No inherited weath.

How much wealth have you created yourself?

Seeing the comment section,I realise I am broke.

Frontend Engineer

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If there is one thing you can learn from Ambani’s wedding, it’s the fact that money is the only objective measure of power and influence in this world.

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The biggest rivals politically, share the stage and greet each other 
The biggest rivals in cricket, dance with each other
The biggest rivals in cinema, greet each other 
The biggest rivals within family, help each other 
The biggest rivals in business, hug each other 

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You should strive to make as much money as you possible can because money is power. You don't do it for pleasure; you do it because that's how you win. You do it because in this ruthless world, being on top is the only safe place to be. Money is your shield and your weapon, and without it, you're nothing.

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You make as much money as possible because, let's face it, money's fun. It's the key to all the cool stuff—power, parties, private jets, you name it. Sure, it's also about proving yourself and not being the screw-up everyone thinks you are, but mainly it's about the thrill. Making money means you're in the game, you're relevant, and you can do whatever the hell you want. 

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Plus, it gives you the leverage to tell people to screw off and actually get away with it. So, yeah, stack that cash and enjoy the ride.

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You make as much money as possible because it’s your ticket to security and status. In this family and in this world, wealth is what keeps you safe and respected. It’s about climbing the ladder and proving you belong at the top, even if you weren’t born into it. With money, you gain leverage, influence, and the ability to protect yourself in a cutthroat environment. Plus, it doesn’t hurt to enjoy the finer things and have a buffer against the chaos that comes with being alive in this world. 

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You make as much money as possible because it’s about breaking boundaries and redefining what’s possible. It’s not just about the money—it’s about the disruption, the innovation, and staying ahead of the curve.

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Make money! As much as you possibly can!

Ambani's wedding is a display of the heights of income inequality in India.

Product Manager

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Recently being seen a bunch of people here taking a dig on people with high salaries. This is so counter productive. Rather than trying to learn from people who’ve been able to get a head start and getting it for yourself why are you resorting to hating on them? 

This is what is the difference between India and the west. The west is so fu##in capitalistic that people just understand and respect those that have money and everyone else is working hard to make it too. 

Don’t hate the race. Don’t hate the winners. We can all win. Help each other. 

My salary is also high so whatever…

Stop hating people who succeed

Well , you couldn't resist. Could you? 
 Congratulations for the highest package on earth. 
  
 It's stupid race. Let me give you a broader perspective on why a decently paid individual can make it up with consistency within 10 years. 
  
 The inflated package you got will also result in 
   
 Increased risk of layoff 
 Increased rent based on location 
 Increased additional expenses 
 Increased health problems because of stress 
 Decreased family time 
 Confusion in priorities 
  
  
 Since you got money early in life, congrats but what on earth will you buy once you have it all? 
 By 50 you'll be left with minimum wishes you can wish for. 
  
 These are just a few of the common things...  
  
 No hate but everyone should work on their pace once they get a decent salary.

Cybersecurity

Business Development Manager

Ask those influncers whats will you do with your life after FIRE. Assuming target completed at 35yrs of age then what? And even after that what will you do with the money. Keep in bank or stocks to be passed on to "no one" after you or just maybe taken up by banks and govt and home taken up by land encrochers. Life is not at end after FIRE. FI is good so you can protect your family but when you "killed" your family tree itself to achieve FIRE what did you acheive ,for whom, for what? Good for show offs maybe but internet fame is limited till there only no one is there for you on ground. Empty  4 walled rooms being cat/dog "moms" all have been already experimented in west and now being tried to replicate here. 
They want us to stay poor by selling us the lifestyle they are living though the money they got by selling the courses. The logic they applied maybe worked at that time but does it guarantee the same logic will work in next 10 yrs and if thats true why not they themself buy all those assets with all that money  will get 100 bagger in next 10 yrs themselves.
I can continue the same with their rent vs buying home logic but maybe keep it up for another day.

Finfluencers and their fuc*ed up logics

How can a salaried man/woman create wealth?
I wonder if I will just continue earning till 60? 
People say create wealth by investing in real estate. Is that true? I don't know how to start investing in real estate.
How do you guys plan to create wealth 🤔 ?

How can a salaried person create wealth?

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What’s the most important career advice you’ve ever received? It could be anything, an advice from your colleague, a lesson you learnt the hard way, or a piece of wisdom that changed your perspective! 🌟🌟

Share Your Most Valuable Career Advice🚀

1. Work hard in your job. Don't complain and waste time. We know everyone is replaceable, but work so damn hard that if at all you decide to resign and switch sometime, it should come as a shell shocker to them.  
 Build a program/product/team from scratch, own it end to end so much that they'll never find anyone close to you who can work with the same efficiency. 
 You'll obviously take your learnings and apply them later on in your next job, but 
 You'll also earn the respect of all your colleagues which might be needed in your future corporate journey. 
 2. Don't chase money early on in your career unless you actually**need** it. Focus on building relationships, knowledge, learning to code (it helps) and earning respect of your colleagues wherever you go. 
 3. Don't get into smoking due to peer pressure. AVOID IT.

Strategy & Operations

for me. i spent college studying for grades and 20s making money in a job I don't like, but never got to make the memories I should've with all my friends. I regret doing all of that

what is your worst mistake professionally?

If we are spiralling, let's spiral right

1. Focused solely on grades in colleges
2. Thought Campus placements were ultimate goal
3. Spent 3 years in a company with 5% increment (once), because it was comfortable
4. Scared to ask even minimum budget while negotiating salary
5. Overthinking every step, still not taking actions to correct or fuck up anything
6. Major major regret - not taking risk of starting own. It also has to do with parenting, but lets not blame.
7. Ran away from public sharing - speaking, athletics, all extracurricular activities for that matter. Kids grow up with zero confidence and looking fat & ugly. (I'm not fat shaming, some fat people look 🤌)

I'll add more, there will be more for sure 😂

1. Novel/new business idea 
2. Degrees/MBAs
3. Experience/reputation
4. Money (hardly 20-30k to register company)
5. CTO
6. Employees/Co-founders
7. External investment
8. Website/app
9. Social media accounts
10. Office location (register home as office)

Far too many people focus on needing xyz before starting up. Most of them are excuses and self-imposed roadblocks from what I've seen in my conversations with people.

I'm currently working on 2 ventures that still have many items missing from this list. Doesn't really stop me from making revenue and profit.

Sure, there may be some things required from this list for specific businesses and at diff stages. But they are mostly an extra, good to have but not required.

What is required in copious amounts is courage and will power, willingness to face rejections and ability to withstand multiple failures only to get back up and try again. Also, a healthy enough risk appetite.

I hope to see more young and talented folks (especially MBA grads) start their own thing some day. Best time is in your twenties and early thirties, when you have little to lose. 

If you have any business ideas you want help with, I'd be happy to discuss and share contacts and resources if required.

Good luck soldiers, see you in the arena 🪖

What you DON'T NEED to run a business/startup/side hustle

Product Owner

Hi Everyone,
I hope you all are making crazy money. I am actually a 3rd year engineering student. I've made over 28 products and released them, having over 650,000 users worldwide. But most of my products are free to use and thus I don't make any money at all even after having so many users, I made some paid apps too but didn't get significant users. I can confidently say that I am one of the best frontend developers available in the market, have a good portfolio, good linkedin profile, good achievements yet I don't get approached by companies or clients.
This is a complete breakdown moment for me as I don't understand how much I have to do to start making money. Don't judge me for mentioning money here as I come from a lower middle class family and I need to make money for my life.
I would love to get your opinion or suggestions or secrets whatever can help me in any ways.

Thanks!

What does it take to get approached by companies or clients?

Creating wealth

How are the people on GV creating their wealth.

What would you recommend someone to who has barely started in corporate and can hustle to build wealth(not just earn salary) so that you can have the option to retire by, say, 40.

Speak from experience, there is a difference in doing vs witnessing others. Need something that can be done daily/weekly/monthly(discipline).

I know about usual investments like MF, Equity,etc and even Physical and Mental Health. Do you have something you can add to it?

Building wealth early on?

Buying back time, if u had the money what is the thing u would never do?

What do u feel? If you had the money what is the one thing u will never do

Pursuit of happiness via acquisition of material wealth or The stairs to nowhere. 

Travelling through these suburban areas of karnataka has made me realise that once a person acquires adequate means to beat absolute poverty, and consistently keep his head above the surface, his distress is only a function of the depth of his relative poverty. 

However, as we acquire greater wealth and move to higher stratum of the society we get in touch with wealth that was previously unimaginable, and the depth of relative poverty is renewed, resulting in further aggravation. The accomplishment of man becomes the cause of his distress, for the pursuit of wealth for happiness is a folly. Money can at best buy freedom (and for some unfortunate ones, deprive them of it).

Happiness comes from within, and not via the bugatti you ride in. Pursuit of wealth is a worthwhile goal, but pursuing happiness via wealth as I have learned to my detriment is simply, a staircase to nowhere.

Staircase to nowhere.

Audit Manager

A lot of times I have seen people who want to make the big bucks make no effort be it interviewing, up skulking finding the right team, and most importantly finding the right manager. People just want to land any job and assume that they will magically by hook or crook be progressing in their career with significant high fixed salary. But you gotta remember one toxic co worker one bad manager one bad designer one bad stakeholder one bad peer review can decide whether you are getting a refresh grant a bump in base and eventually a promotion. 

First you need to figure this shit out, then comes the next step. Obviously, we can’t function with the same amount of energy all the time like in our 20s in our 30s and in our 40s like 30s, so you must prioritise learning how financial independence works and how to make wealth, I am not saying an unrealistic goal. But realistically how much do you want to grow your net worth considering inflation in order to say this is it and I can stop working for someone else. 

And I have heard many many times about people saying I will wait for this raise, I will wait for this project to finish, I will wait for this 6 months in order to take a break or a vacation. But remember the reality is that time will never come you have to make the time which means planning early not busting your wallet. 

And considering the layoffs and the correction in salaries, it’s high time you must learn and plan these things better in order to provide a better life for you and your family both parents and dependents. 

Stop chasing 100 different things focus on 5, do a few things really good, eventually get to what you’re looking for. 

Wanted to share this as I have heard some random discussions about making 25-50 crore in 10 years easily without any of this. Unfortunately it is not possible unless you luck out.

Learn to escape the matrix asap.

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Growth Manager

Context: I am a software engineer with 4 years of experience.

Everytime I work with a bunch of engineers (Especially Indian Startups). Most of them are workaholics.

They are just working for some company full-time. They are interested in learning more about technology, making jokes about technology, following technology news, etc. 

That is it. 

No social life. (Especially after Covid). No skills in any other part of life.

Their comfort zone is so small that they have developed a lifestyle of working, sleeping & watching something on laptops and that's it.

They make an excellent salary but don't do anything else. 

Every time I meet a 35-40-year-old software engineer, it is just a physically unfit guy with an arranged marriage who is boring as a brick.

Are most Software Engineers boring outside work?

I am in my late 20s and I feel attacked. Thank you for striking the right chord 
  
 I've come to realize that, like many software engineers, I've found myself navigating the monotony of an 8-hour job, often feeling isolated from my office peers. It can be challenging when people hesitate to open up, but the reasons for this became clear. 
  
 There are two key aspects at play: a minimal social life and prioritizing work. These factors are interconnected. In late 20s, the circle of friends tends to shrink, and individuals are busy setting up their own lives, leading to growing distances. With limited time for each other, it's easy to become engrossed in work life. I didn't anticipate that making friends would become a challenge, and I acknowledge this as a personal objective (read OKR) for myself. Despite being an extrovert, reinitiating the trust and friendship path can be difficult. 
  
 To address this, I've proactively connected with people, stepped out of my comfort zone, and initiated new activities. It's a challenging process, and sometimes it feels like I'm overdoing it, but the effort is rewarding. Engaging in activities beyond my job role, such as joining a gym or participating in public discussions, has been beneficial. I've also reduced my time on social media, realizing that platforms like Instagram reels consume a significant portion of my time. 
  
 I'd like to urge understanding for people in their late thirties. Having once criticized the habits of those in their late twenties when I was in my early twenties, I now comprehend the challenges of their situation. Unexpectedly, I find joy in shopping for groceries and organizing them neatly. It's all about priorities, and embracing change has made a significant positive impact in my life.

like what do you want to achieve, what is your goal?

Why do you want to earn so much money(be rich)?

I just want to be debt-free, and feel like I can take a holiday once in a while, without worrying too much about how it could cripple me financially. 
  
 No tall ambitions, just want to have a happy life where money is not something I worry about on an ongoing basis.

Senior Product Manager

I work at a small startup that was acquired by a large corporate, primarily via high level contacts of the founders rather than technical due diligence. Founders and employees cash out big FAANG-level payslips without bothering about any actual work or revenue.

Being in my late 20s, I believe that our energetic youth should be spent on doing something that we are proud of, when we look back on our younger days. Imagine yourself in your 60s, and your grandchildren look up to and ask you about your life. I would definitely get depressed if I had to tell them that I did nothing of significance, just collected my salary.

In this context, I have been telling a few of my close colleagues how we can learn specific tech stacks which are in demand, in interesting domains that we can shift to, if applying to other companies. However, recently I came to know that some of these colleagues have shared screenshots of my conversations with management and claimed that I am violating company policy by apparently encouraging people to apply elsewhere.

Didn't see it playing out like this, so it's a shocker for me. Going forward, what would you suggest? Keep my mouth shut and be company policy-wise correct with people to avoid such backstabbers? Or should I continue to be honest and just change company myself?

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