ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling

AMA - 6 years in PM + 5 years Analytics

Try to avoid asking questions which can doxx me on LinkedIn (that's where I post a little)

See if you can focus on asking questions around principles & not masala stories

Problem with masala stories is that you'll learn the wrong things from my narratives

This will be fun I think

23mo ago
Talking product sense with Ridhi
9 min AI interview5 questions
Round 1 by Grapevine
JumpyHamster
JumpyHamster

Could you tell us YOY % salary growth and what made you achieve that?

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

I rode 2 waves, analytics & PM

Am skilled at interviews and negotiations, akin to a seasoned salesperson.

I am relentless even when I fail at a lot of interviews. I just don't give up.

I have learnt to enjoy interview games.

Unable to disclose specific company details. The progress noted within the same company is marked by a salary increase. Each time a company was switched, it's presented as a new row.

Career Progression (with Annual Salaries in LPA):

Company 1: 3 LPA

Company 2: 5.5 LPA

Company 3: Started at 5.5 LPA, progressed to 8 LPA

Company 4: 13 LPA

Company 5: Started at 16.5 LPA, progressed to 24 LPA

Moved abroad

Returned to India Received multiple job offers Successfully negotiated a strong salary for the Indian market Company 7: 54 LPA

Company 8: Started at 48 LPA, progressed to 67 LPA

I think the trick is to think of yourself as a one person company & be ready for non-linear revenue patterns

Notice how I was able to take salary cuts / move at same salary for long term play (read better job prospects in terms of money)

Many people can't take such trade-offs

That's made a lot of difference in my game play as compared to peers from similar backgrounds

JumpyHamster
JumpyHamster

Appreciate your openness. One concern I have does, changing companies too frequently impacts your leadership opportunity down the line? 8 companies in (11-12years), is this the only way to grow?

MagicalHamster
MagicalHamster

Thanks for doing this.

From your comment earlier, you have had a very good salary trajectory.

At this point, what keeps you going and motivated going forward?
For somebody early in their career, how can they have sustained happiness/motivation to do well?

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

I don't know

As I said, my career happened to me

My salary is decent, it's enough, it's probably lesser than a lot of people I know in engineering side with my level of sales talent

So please don't think of me as an outlier

I think money we will make in tech, the bigger issue is having good health (physical and mental)

If there's one thing I can suggest: Focus on building muscles - physical as well as mental

through workouts , stretch, food habits, meditation, affirmations, healthy sex life, everything

enjoy your body & hone it

it's a beautiful tool

DancingKoala
DancingKoala
CGI23mo

What are basic things to keep in mind one who willing to get into Analytics, My interest is to learn Power bi and Sql only.

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

I don't operate by interest

I work to pay my bills while keeping work life balance in tact and being ethical

I'd probably learn to professionaly dance 10 years from now if that's a decent way to make money

Am just a businessman

DancingKoala
DancingKoala
CGI23mo

Since i am pretty new mentioned as interest understood your answer.!!

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

A lot of folks here are thinking that am amuldotexe on twitter

It's ironical that you'll compare me with him

I have worked with him in Gojek briefly before he left. He was thoroughly average as a PM.

I think he should just move on to a developer role.

He is one of those irritating voices on twitter who unnecessarily discourages PMs because of his own biases about the field .

I think he should just move on to a developer role & spare us his cynical takes on product management

GoofyWalrus
GoofyWalrus
Atlan23mo

Finally someone said it!

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

Why do we not discuss this unneeded negativity by this guy who has little to add on the product management craft itself

You don't want it

Fine!

Why do you have discourage those of us who are actually liking this job

SnoozyCoconut
SnoozyCoconut

Hey i am placed as an associate data scientist at tredence analytics Should I move further in analytics or try for backend?

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

Analytics pays way less than backend

I've transitioned QA folks to analytics in 4 months of training

Analytics is a shallow skill as compared to backend

Don't pursue it if you are smart enough to be a developer

SnoozyCoconut
SnoozyCoconut

I am getting 12lpa over here

DerpyBagel
DerpyBagel

Given that you’ve been in multiple companies/ roles/ sector, which combo do you like the best?

Like Analytics-Gaming or PM-Logistics?

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

None

I just want to get paid good money with good work life balance and long term job security

All work is meditation if you can convince yourself of it

GoofyDonut
GoofyDonut

This is the way 🙌

SillyKoala
SillyKoala

Can you tell me something about negotiations

I am currently having 12 as fixd 14.8 as ctc, got a new offer at 18 fixed and 19 ctc. Wanna increase it, can you suggest what related pointers I can use? (3 yoe)

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

Read the other answer on salary please

It has good pointers

SillyKoala
SillyKoala

Thank you for them, I was able to see most pointers related to how to improve interview skills, can I check for negotiation ones?

WigglyBanana
WigglyBanana

How do you personally look at the PM role? (in terms of how much of a value add it can add in an organisation - given theres been lots of debate here recently 😂)

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

It's a General Management role that's niche

All niche GM roles suffer a similar fate & have similar advantages and disadvantages

All such top of pyramid roles will be a headache in one way or the other

they also can be good value add or a hindrance in many good teams, depends on how the PM fits the context

BubblyUnicorn
BubblyUnicorn

PM equivalent to Genman, wow 😂

DancingWalrus
DancingWalrus
SAP23mo

big fan of your twitter spaces sir

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

Wdym

I operate on an alt & haven't spoken on twitter spaces

SparklyMochi
SparklyMochi

You can't fool us man😭😭. It's a small world. Ikwim.

PrancingDumpling
PrancingDumpling
  1. For someone who took a downgraded product role to stay afloat in this market, what would be your suggestion in terms of career correction for such a person.( ex-Microsoft, YOE- 4, joined new place in March which is not tech)

  2. how much and how long does product in ex FAANG help in one’s career( is it short lived till next switch or will it help long term in each career switch).

SparklyMochi
SparklyMochi

Product managemer?

ZestyDumpling
ZestyDumpling
Gojek23mo

PM job search is tougher simply because for every 100 new positions in the industry only 10 are PMs

Even worse at SPM director and beyond

Which means branding will get you your interview shortlist

So please focus on being in companies with good brand-names

Your recent brandname is super important in shortlisting

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