PM's add to the list of the lies in your role?

Been playing a crap ton of poker online nowadays and between hands I could only wonder what do other PMs do here. Answer Answer Answer! 🚨

Engineers saying pms shouldn't exist should for once get what they want. Most engineers I know get anxious enough to take leaves once a customer shouts at them lol

There has been a huge influx of posts dissing roles like Product, Marketing, HR etc. by Techies. Every other post, or comment is made by them undermining the value of other depts and these cuties think business runs just by their sub-par code. I understand that their delusion stems from the fact they get paid huge salaries by loss making companies. Which is bound to crash sooner or later. Rant over.

Lately I am seeing a lot more people talk about the fact that being a PM is a sub optimal strategy for an eventful career in Tech. However, let me remind you that people in tech tend to be predominantly engineers and they like the people skills needed to be good at making Products for actual humans. I have personally witnessed PMs be great at talking to various teams in Engg, Design, Analystics and Operations. They are so good at talking that they forget that they actually need to work and not just speak all the time. I feel that PMs are all talk but now work and just chill around the foosball table all day. Once in a while they will go and flirt with that new chick that joined their team. In case the joke wasn't clear, "PMs are the cesspool of Tech". 😂

Sometimes PMs want to change the flow of way things working. They often say it's a small change and will not take much time. They see things on high level, but they don't see what are the logics behind need to change and what are DB migration required and sometimes it is not possible to change because many things dependent on it.

Incoming!. Every FAANG PM is thinking about and working on integrating Gen AI into their features. This includes PMs and engineers who oversee 1-2 features in the entire product. And will oversell their part in it. For promotions to job switches these guy have to shout ‘I used a lot of Gen AI to change the world’ And then to sell it on LinkedIn for getting likes. The PMs will sound like they were just as visionary as Sam Altman who made GPT in the first place. And the engineers will sound like they coded GPT and will invent AGI themselves while they just integrate 2 APIs. You’ve been warned.

Have heard a lot of stories other way round. Want to see if this perspective exists at all or not.

Had started my career as a android developer for 2 years. Was fairly good at it. Went for a MBA from IIM K and joined a fintech startup as a PM. Around 5yoe PM now Keep regretting on and off how life could have been as a developer. 1. Crazy salary- esp after covid. Almost every org ways way more to a dev than a PM 2. Lot of options in job market - Unlike PM where demand is far less than supply 3. Specialised role - unlike PM where there is literally no entry barrier 4. Hard skill - unlike PM where everyone keeps questioning the need of the role 5. Chiller life - unlike PM where failures are yours but success is team’s Does anyone else feel the same?

Background: I work in a D2C consumer product startup, we have an in-house website and a growing tech team of 7 people. The whole business team is 100+. I'm a '23 grad from a tier 1 engineering college. I joined the company back in September when the job market was at the bottom and I had to take a 40% pay cut (21LPA to 12LPA) (while switching (the last company ran out of funding). I was at a higher than avg base in my previous role but the current role is 20% below the average. (15LPA) The company is in a growth stage and lots of processes are yet to be defined which leads to a lot of chaos but I get a lot of freedom as well. My manager is aware of the whole situation and we had also negotiated a 6-month review for ESOP allotment. My monthly reviews have been going well and we have shipped some good improvements and features over the last few months.