GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

Reflection: 2024

1/ Ghosting hurts, but ghosting back hurts more (and is absolutely justifiable revenge) 2/ No amount of market data will make a hiring manager agree to a realistic salary band 3/ The most effective tool in recruiting is still... empathy (shocking - right?) 4/ It's not about Excel, ATS, AI, workflow or automation - Its about basics 5/ "Looking for a cultural fit" is just jazz cause half of them dont know what they are even talking about 6/ People rejecting a job role/ resume cause it has a typo, are the same people who have 3 typo's on their own resume 7/ "ASAP" and "Any updates?" frustrated more recruiters than we care to acknowledge 8/ The only time a hiring manager replies fast is when the candidate they loved has just accepted another offer 9/ Every recruiter starts as an optimist and ends the year as a caffeine-dependent realist 10/ Explaining the same feedback 10 different ways still doesn't make it more palatable 11/ "Competitive Salary" does not mean the same thing to candidates as it does to HR/ hiring manager 12/ "Why was I rejected?" emails will always come at 11 PM or later on a Friday night 13/ Scheduling back-to-back interviews should be considered an Olympic sport 14/ The candidate who tells you they "really want this role" more than twice is the same one who'll drop out at the last second 15/ A good recruiter wears many hats. A great recruiter makes it look like they're not wearing any 16/ If you didn't cry over your ATS, Hiring manager or Candidate once this year, did you even recruit? 17/ Sometimes, the biggest success of the day is remembering to eat lunch 18/ There's always that one candidate who has no clue what job they applied for but nails the interview 19/ Work life balance is inversely proportional to week-end drives and hiring managers mood 20/ Everyone loves the process until it has positive outcome 21/ "Can I have a weekend to think about the offer?" most likely means "I'm definitely accepting another one" 22/ The fastest way to lose hope in humanity is to post a job listing, keep the easy apply button on and read the first 10 applications 23/ Intake meetings are 50% wishlist, 30% confusion, and 20% me wondering why I even bothered to ask questions 24/ The JD often evolves more than the candidate pool 25/ The toughest part of recruiting isn't the candidates or the hiring managers -it’s the constant battle to keep believing in people, even on the hardest days

What would you add as a reflection?

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SillyPenguin
SillyPenguin

Bhai aise toh engineers ke 200 problems hai.

SillyPenguin
SillyPenguin

But we'll summarised

GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

To tum bhi likho 😂 mana kisne kiya hai

SillySushi
SillySushi

Can you explain the third point i.e. - The most effective tool in recruiting is empathy a bit more

GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

IMHO recruitment has transitioned to tactical. Very few and invested in making someone else successful. Understand what can be done to elevate and so on. Which is why both sides ignore the empathy charter. Recruiters taking candidates like another row entry on the board, candidates thinking what would this recruiter know - empathy gap is loud and screaming. Wo kehte hain naa.. behron ko duniya mein shor aur sanatta dono nadarat hain. Cheekh to wo hi rahein hain jinke zabaan nahin hain.. sun kaun raha hai aur samajh kaun raha hai

SillySushi
SillySushi

Agreed and those are some great lines at the end. Behron ke beech, har aawaaz bekaar hai,
Jab tak dil na ho, har zubaan bekaar hai.
Jo samajh paaye, unhi ko zindagi ka pata hai,
Baaki to bas cheezen sunnte hain, par kabhi samajhte nahi

SparklyBanana
SparklyBanana

Humra resume dekhanba toh gandiya faat jaaye

GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

😂 love the caution

SleepyWalrus
SleepyWalrus

Found a recruiter, nice post. Off topic, what do you feel about candidates cold calling and cold mailing ? If yes, how do you think once should start off talking during a cold call or cold mail?

GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

Here's what I think - Cold calls and cold emails piss off a lot of hiring managers and recruiters - no two thoughts about it. But here’s the truth: They work BEST when done right. The problem? 90% of people doing it suck at it. What not to do is lot easier, THAN what to really do.

No "Hi" msgs. and then wait for the other person to write "Hi". sucks to the highest level. I dont even buy the "I hope you’re doing well" fluff. I dont like too much coaxed plesantaries. No generic pitches or overselling yourself. If you don’t know why I should a hiring manager or recruiter care, why should they? Don’t drag the conversation into “blah blah blah” territory. Get to the point and show that you actually mean business: value firrst shot should come in first 15-20 seconds: "Hi, I noticed your team is scaling for X role, and I wanted to quickly highlight how I could help you solve Y problem". Double click on why what what when how. BOOM. Intrigue created. here's a tip - most recruiters get rattled from their usual NO position when you throw metrics at them. they are tuned to hear this. most of them cant process that, that's a different problem but you get the point. double click on that real fast in your conversation - email/ call. Be brief and precise: If your cold mail reads like a novel, it’s going straight to the trash. Keep it sharp, direct, and actionable.

I can't emphasise enough on this -> AWLAYS: OPERATE WITH A SALES MINDSET. Most will ignore you, some will hang up, and a limited handful will give you a shot. But those few can change the game. One yes is worth a hundred no’s. effort heavy sure.. but results are non ignorable for who do it right. They get where they want to be on their terms. Tailor your message to their problems, not your résumé. Nobody cares about you until you show you mean business and that you are prepared. 90% of cold outreach fails because people are lazy and aimless. Don’t be that person. That's my 2 cents.

WigglyBagel
WigglyBagel
  1. The candidate who tells you they “really want this role” more than twice is the same one who’ll drop out at the last second please dont make prejudices like that, such generalizations cause some people not to be considered for the role even though they are genuine.
GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

valid point. generalisations generally come from a place of self reflection. feedback taken regardless

WobblyHamster
WobblyHamster

Hows the compensation discussion looks like behind the scene?

Also, do recruiter get bonus if they close the role in less comp?

GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

Recruiters in corporates generally do not get bonus per the (delta) cost saved per offer. Their performance is linked to hires made only and other metrics like time to hire, cost to hire, sla adherence etc but rarely have I seen an (corporate) org pay bonuses by cost saved per recruiter. There are a few but that’s an outlier. In an agency / staffing model setting for FTE (full time employee hiring) the org makes money per rates agreed like 8.33% per a ctc slab. So they make more money per the offer they make. So in general either they stay in the range specified by the org or push higher. Now that changes if it’s contractual roles or hourly role where margins play a big role and that’s where agencies want to double click on rates offered and make recruiters money on margins / billed rates vs offer rates. In Managed services some orgs do put a cap on how much bare minimum an org has to pay.

DancingHamster
DancingHamster

Recruiters mandate is to close a mandate. And that's their focus. Normally the salary bands given by the hiring managers are tight. Recruiters generally push on the higher side of the band. Though there are some corporate recruiters who take pride in restricting the offer. A good discussion by the candidate usually solves it.

PrancingHamster
PrancingHamster
HCL2mo

After collecting all the documents saying the position is on hold also does not make any sense. What's the guarantee that our PI will not be misused by you...

GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

100% beef point - totally agreed.

BubblyBurrito
BubblyBurrito

good writing skill, rare to see in a recruiter.

GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

Thanks.

SleepyCoconut
SleepyCoconut
  • If your hiring manager escalates to your manager first and not you, is he even your hiring manager?
GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

lol - TRUE.

ZestyDonut
ZestyDonut

Itna sab ke baad bhi raita phail hi jata hai @FreshRaita

GigglyUnicorn
GigglyUnicorn

point to yehi.. raita bohut hai.. koi biriyani le aao

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