DizzyWaffle
DizzyWaffle

Some observations after 10+ years of being in the system

  • Most VCs are fraud, they never make any money and keep shifting from one fund to another to hide that they never made anyone any money. They also have usually no real input to add. They are no subject matter except negotiations which too mostly they just prey upon any founders.

It's a thankless asset class. Most founders will always hate it as they will never get a dollar and most investors hate it as they will never net a dollar.

Never chase VC, they are supposed to find opportunity .. Chasing them is useless, they judge you for it. So treat them from first day like your ex. Gf/bf.

  • Most tech startup founders are fraud, they never make any money and keep shifting from one idea to another to hide they never made anyone any money. it usually takes 20 years to make a real $100 million dollar revenue company, but 20 months to be a unicorn. Any unicorn today is priced according to what they would make after 5-10 years... Yeah right.

  • Making real money is hard. Making fake money is easy. 99% of startup Esops are fraud If the company is homerun, then they won't get you stock easy. If the company is maybe homerun, they won't give you cash easily. If you get free cash and esops, just imagine it's an 18 month project.

  • Most of the humblebrags are fraud as half of them don't even understand the fine print of what they think is real money but not.

  • Most of the people who usually ask for change have no intention for it. They want to be seen as leaders, change is hard, negotiated and cried for.

  • you only live once. Go hard.. No one like people who have too much to talk but nothing to show.

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WigglySushi
WigglySushi
InMobi20mo

which are some real companies that came out of VC boom in last 10y in India?

Flipkart, Freshworks, Ola, InMobi, Zomato, Swiggy? (i know they're handful but it's still good)

Don't you think these are good businesses, and wouldn't have grown/ mature this fast without VC funding.

DizzyWaffle
DizzyWaffle

All of them are in red.
Some may never recover ala inmobi, ola.

They are not great business, they don't make much money. It's ok. Same with multiple such attempts outside or anywhere.

They are great startups, made exactly 100 people rich, not great business that made 50000 people rich.
Vcs are fraud everywhere. In India just a little more.

DancingBanana
DancingBanana
Swiggy20mo

No, that’s a poor take MercadoLibre makes profit. Shopee is EBITDA profitable.
In fact, a lot of Indian consumer tech startups are also profitable in core markets, they burn now to grow in newer markets

Most VCs and startups are problematic. Some have done great stuff and will make formidable companies.

WigglyBanana
WigglyBanana

Holy shit. Truth bombs all around.

TwirlyPretzel
TwirlyPretzel

No offence meant, your username has Alpha but your behaviour is of Beta. Lol

DizzyMarshmallow
DizzyMarshmallow

No offence meant , your username has Basicneck50 in it but your behaviour is of a Dad (should have been BasicDad50).

SquishyBanana
SquishyBanana

Where's the 4 yoe VC expert giving Gyan on startups?😃

DizzyWaffle
DizzyWaffle

There are many VC apologists, atleast they get paid for it.
As a founder if you meet an analyst, your chance of deal went to 0% immediately.

SleepyBanana
SleepyBanana

VC mid folks have 30 mins slots in their calendar for market research “which they do here” ;-) 🫠

QuirkyNarwhal
QuirkyNarwhal

I might agree with other things but if you think VCs don't make any money you are seriously wrong and I doubt you know anything about startups ecosystem.

If VCs never made money, LPs aren't stupid to give them millions of dollars. They give great returns and most VCs beat the Index over the long term. Checkout the returns of top VC funds in the world and you'll be surprised 🙂

But I agree that VCs don't know anything and don't add any value.

DizzyWaffle
DizzyWaffle

I think you should read available data and you will be surprised.. As usual, it all shines always in VC world.
VC business is less than 10% allocation for LP.
It's a relationship business.

WobblyNoodle
WobblyNoodle
InMobi20mo

It looks like a rant more than anything else. I know atleast 5 indian unicorns which are profitable and aren't really fraud.

Op seems to be excessively negative.

DizzyWaffle
DizzyWaffle

Who said all business are fraud.

Dude, even I run a startup.
I am not negative, but yes VC don't impress me. When I was younger, I paid my dues to them.
There are some awesome companies out of india like zoho, zenskaar, atlan. Will always be, we are a fighting group

WobblyNoodle
WobblyNoodle
InMobi20mo

I have no clue about VCs since I've never worked in that domain. I'm commenting purely from the perspective of Indian startups and their ideas.

Startups like Billdesk, Zeta, InMobi, Postman, Zerodha, Zoho are quite good. All of them are making good money in their core sector and have good ideas.

Although i agree that their are quite a few indian startups which are just glorified aggreator platforms like Flipkart/Zomato/swiggy/mmt.

FluffyQuokka
FluffyQuokka

I strongly feel that most startups are like ponzi schemes & most entrepreneurs run them through dreams till the time they don't. Who suffers? The real investors - employees, value creators, stakeholders who believe & most importantly the government. I am just so sick of this valuation thinking that has overriden the value thinking!

QuirkyNarwhal
QuirkyNarwhal

Lol yeah right all startups are ponzi scheme.

Say that to 400 employees from Flipkart, 500 from Freshworks, 350 employees from Paytm, and several others from Zomato, Nykaa, etc who made >1Cr from their ESOPs.

Not to mention some even are dollar millionaires.

And we don't even get to know about the startups which got acquired.

So yeah you can say everything is a scam when you don't understand how it works 🙂

FluffyQuokka
FluffyQuokka

Said a ponzi scheme owner!

TwirlyPretzel
TwirlyPretzel

This post is Fraud, the most anonymous poster post generic gyan and facts as a hyper personalized experience. They haven't had any real experience and keep shifting from one platform to another

FuzzyCupcake
FuzzyCupcake

Accenture vale kya hie jaane startup aur VC ka culture tumko yea saal bhi hike nai Mila na

TwirlyPretzel
TwirlyPretzel

Arey bhai 1 mahine ke liye tha Accenture mai, startup ka laath aisa hai ki wapis aagya.

QuirkyPotato
QuirkyPotato

Ponnappa come out with real id

JazzyWaffle
JazzyWaffle

Lmao, what's the point of this post. What are the positives from your 10 years in the system? What should people attach look out for?

It's too easy to make sweeping generalised statements, but that's what VCs do as well, you know? Don't be like them. Be different.

DizzyWaffle
DizzyWaffle

These are positives.
It's how you take them.

CosmicPanda
CosmicPanda

Real id se aao ashneer grover!

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