This I want to say 👇🏼

Just like IQ, sexual indiscretions against women are also a spectrum. It starts with staring / leering / online and offline trolling / stalking / death and rape threats / actual illegal actions... The point of raising the voice is not just to advocate for castration / death penalty. Those who are psychotic and psychopathic are not deterred by these things also. Because for this you need to catch them - > Prove it - > Punish them in ways that is both retributive and deterrent. Majority of such cases (in the nascent stages) are not reported because women are scared, think it will pass, embarrassed, ill-advised and so on. So, what do these poems, cartoons, graphics and quotes to shame men achieve? They bring solidarity amongst women. Those who are scared, mentally frsutrated because they imagine such things happening to them, their mothers, sisters, children - A platform to voice their fears, to share their trauma, to heal a little. Such incidents break the social fabric. Women find extremely difficult to trust the state, the police, men in their lives - all authority figures who are their designated protectors. Protectors against whom - Such animals. And then, a week on, a month on, a year on, they will have to go back to their lives as if nitjjng happened - till the next incident.
If your own fragile male ego can't handle women healing themselves, then you don't deserve to have them in your life.

THIS I WANT TO SAY

First up, I am a man. I am not a misandrist (there's no reason for me to hate all my gender). Even though you explicitly mentioned you aren't accusing me, your comment was alluding to it. Had I been a woman, I would have had to defend against it, but it's moot now.

Also being a man, I can comment on fragile male ego. Men who want to do something about it don't stop and stand down (and start fighting tooth and nail to defend my gender) just because one small section of discourse diverts towards hating all men. A large proportion of the discourse is about the issue at hand and that's what most Influencers are also influencing(?) about.
And it's a far cry that MeToo died down because of misandrists. MeToo achieved some good progress and more importantly uncovered what women in white and bluecollar jobs face in their place of work, which men "who deeply care about women" didn't even know was happening. So let's not fuck around and demean what's been achieved. Also, let's not kid ourselves that misandrists killed what could have eventually been achieved. Yes, it did lead to some discourse shifting in that direction and some women manipulating narrative to falsely accuse men. But what eventually led to its downfall is that men became scared that our "innocuous" actions can be deemed inappropriate and we might (for the first time in our lives) face backlash or even consequences of our actions (workplace / legal). So, we gravitated towards the polar opposite narrative which was also gaining popularity with MRA, #NotAllMen, all that crap. Even on GV, we publically humor and spread fears about POSH as if it's the burden all "good" men have to bear.

Now coming to the meat of what you said, let's deconstruct it one by one.

• Bashing men won't solve the problem: No one's bashing men for being men or being born with a dick. People are bashing men for the actions they are doing. It's not acceptable, and can't continue.

-Toxic gender war: It's actually funny. If it's a gender war, why are men like me on the other side. Why am I not in fear of being man. Also, a war is where both sides suffer losses. Here, women suffer physical harm, emotional trauma, dick pics, death and rape threats online and offline. I wonder how many has the other side received?

• Men deeply care about women, want to do something, but can't do because we don't support misandry: Most of it I covered above. Will just reiterate, men who don't have fragile egos (and no skeletons in our closets), can see beyond this fluff and not fixate ourselves to a very small set of discourse.

Totally agree with this. This country has been having far too many people than required anyway, and weeding out a few bad ones would definitely do more good than harm. We need severe measures against rape and any kind of molestation in general

This is not a fucking college debate. This is not an academic exercise. Understand the stakes here. I am not here taking the burden from the side of the government, speaking for my 6+1 mins, that all men bashing is okay. Understand what's happening to the women when such a news breaks. You have women crying for hours just reading the details of horror that happened with Moumita. People broke down in their workplace. Some aren't even able to read it as it's triggering their own SA traumas. That's what I meant when I said that the social fabric breaks when such incidents happen.
People who are shaming men are shaming them for the actions that they are doing. There is no cricism for all men doing all actions. This is for those who are doing those indiscretions.

Please see the statistics. 99.1% of all sexual misconducts go unreported. Of those reported, convictions for crimes is at lower end of spectrum (vs say murder or robbery) and pendency is high. Of the total incidents of misconduct, what % turn out to be false. How many men are getting duped (by misuse) vs women getting raped? What do you think this ratio is? Should there be even one innocent man affected? No | Can it be practically ensured? No Is this good enough for there to be two factions to this argument? No

What some of us are spending disproportionate amount of time arguing, we can actually spend learning what the issue at hand is, who's being affected, and how.

I am not generalising and painting everyone with the same brush. You are.

There's no pro-men vs pro-women. Don't fucking, for a second, think you are fighting a holy war for "men-kind". As you said, those are two very loud factions, but they are very small.

The poems, the posts, my arguments are not alienating men. They are alienating insecure men. And I am not giving you the right to fight your insecurity and put it under the garb of fighting as a pro-men faction. It's pathetic what shape the discourse is taking.

On point. 🔥