SquishyQuokka
SquishyQuokka

[Thread] What is the one thing you could add to PM, so that it doesn’t become the HR of jokes?

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GoofyWalrus
GoofyWalrus

Salty question 😂

SquishyQuokka
SquishyQuokka
Gojek19mo

@AstroBubbles I’m so sorry 😂

But what’s your take on this?

GoofyWalrus
GoofyWalrus

Firstly, it is becoming HR of jokes because pm has to make the engg do the work without them reporting to the pm. This so called "influence people" is making it the butt of jokes. Mostly influencing is seen as a bad thing. And some people do exploit it. Just like HRs.
Secondly, lack of respect. Respect is earned via work or authority. Widely teams think that pms don't have to do the "actual " work, hence no respect. And since they don't have any authority, no respect.

JumpyHamster
JumpyHamster

Manas is back

SquishyQuokka
SquishyQuokka
Gojek19mo

Manas Saloi Lite. 🔍😂

SquishyQuokka
SquishyQuokka
Gojek19mo

@Indiecrypto but give an answer to the question please, there is certainly something that will help, no?

SnoozyDonut
SnoozyDonut

actual PM work?

SquishyQuokka
SquishyQuokka
Gojek19mo

@product_kumar What is actual PM Work?

Give a “A Day in the Life of a PM” please 🙏🏻

SnoozyDonut
SnoozyDonut

actual PM work is solving for delivering customer value and driving a business outcome. doing the above, a day in life can be really varied.

GigglyNarwhal
GigglyNarwhal

PMs not collaborating directly with Dev Teams is downright bad. I worked under PMs who very much involved whole tech team in product grooming sessions. Devs had clear understanding of the requirements and could tell the limitations straight up without bureaucracy.
In my new company, it's typical only EMs talk to PMs bullshit and I miss the synergy I had in my previous team

SquishyQuokka
SquishyQuokka
Gojek19mo

@BladeRunner007 Glorified File Movers 😭😢

I hope it isn’t too bad in your new org tbh. I hate red tapism to the core tbh.

JumpyMarshmallow
JumpyMarshmallow
Google19mo

Whats red tapism according to you?

CosmicCoconut
CosmicCoconut

Two things I mention to all my undertrainee

  1. Get the bigger picture of Tech and bigger picture of Business and relate every requirements to see where it fits in this landscape
  2. Serve as Business face to developers and IT face to the business folks

That way you act as one stop shop

SquishyQuokka
SquishyQuokka
Gojek19mo

Clear threat to PM is the fact that if Biz guys become good at tech and Yech guys become good at Biz.

Time for AI. 🤞🏻

@ShittySlot

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