hellotherehappy

Why is Grapevine so Sanghi? Observations on political discussions here:

I legitimately find it concerning that so many Grapeviners are not just conservatives but outright Sanghis who betray their intelligence with 5th standard debate tactics or just outright hate. Some quick pointers before you come at me with pitchforks

I voted for Modi in 2014 but then from 2019 onwards I changed my mind (more on that later)
Almost everyone here belongs to the urban elite who have voted for BJP. However, the so-called educated elite feels that the everyday uneducated common man is dumb. Education does not equal intelligence (correlated yes, but not an indicator). If you don't like how a significant portion of India you never see or interact with voted, tough luck, welcome to democracy.
Also is this result, really so bad? It's stupid to think that the BJP as the sole ruling party is good for the country. Great for your stocks on the Sensex and MFs but not for the actual common man. They are the silent majority who make the country run and they just let everyone know that although there has been an economic boom, they have been left out.
Take a chill pill. The India story is still alive and well. In fact, having some diverse voices can help a democracy. Not ram-rodding bills that everyone from farmers to jobless youth hate can be good. You just have to learn to play with others & listen for once.

Finally, I supported Modi because I was tired of Congress shenanigans and I supported him up to demonetisation. However, the blatant horse-trading, the weaponisation of ED, Hindu vs <insert religious minority> rhetoric and the lack of any balls to face unscripted questions in TEN years made me change my mind.

PS: The knee-jerk reaction of every sanghi here is to deploy "What about X & Y", I will not respond to any of those arguments because that's just a week cop-out. Judge yourselves on your own merits, not that you are somehow less evil.

Jai Hind. Jai Bharath. Aam Aadmi Zindabad.

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AlphaGrindset

Series A Startup5mo

Reflection of results in Tier 1 cities Still BJP support is greater

Not as affected by economic woes, and continue to feel that Modi is the way to greater capitalism

hellotherehappy

Stealth5mo

Yeah and it might actually turn out to be right. What I don't get is why blend this with hate politics and blind loyalty to one guy. He's had a decade to make an impact and now they demand another 5 years of unquestionable obedience. If they're true capitalists they need to realise that even the kings should have competition.

Dihaadi

Stealth5mo

I agree with you on many points especially hate politics, religious agendas, and sort of divide and rule tendencies. No Indian political party is evolved enough to be truly capitalistic. We have 2 -

We have one which uses Capitalistic , Agenda driven growth plans to deliver economic value using policies, foreign affairs, and revenue. This comes at the expense of economic divide, social erosion, hate, divide and rule, the latter of which has been the core, Indian political skill since independence. This groups has lunatics, criminals, bhakts, sanghis and people who work towards the growth of the country. Leadership is intelligent, sharp, Machiavellian (hat tip Shah Bhai).

The other, has much more basal yet sinister designs. This grand old set of people, used to run the country (pretty much through the marshes) and became a minority. They bring absolute nada in terms of economy, foreign policy brains (Rajan sir/ Sam Pitroda dont count) or any vision for the country, only their own interests. But you get minority appeasement, goodies, merch and all’s merry! Their people , I prefer not to speak.

Bharatiya

Oracle5mo

Agreed. But let me bring in the harsh words. On the basis of this elections, it is pretty much clear that no one cares about the development of the country. Literally no one. I am not talking as a Sanghi here, which I am (not denying) but more of a person who observed the pattern. Uttar Pradesh was the game changer in the results and why is that? Because of a dreaded word : CASTE. SP is clearly and very famous goon party whose only agenda is to bring everyone in reservation. They have no goals for development and we all saw what happened in UP after that. I'll be as blunt as possible. The whole minority is looking after their personal interest i.e., reservation. No one bats an eye there. To overcome that, the Hindus looked for their personal interest in BJP, suddenly they are angry Sanghis. I would have agreed to some length if people would have boted for Congress but SP?? WTF? Even Kashmir threw out their hate spreading ministers but UP still clinged on to caste politics.

hellotherehappy

Stealth5mo

I'd like to pose a counter argument here. I visited UP on a good governance yatra where we met everyone from farmers to IAS/IPS and ministers. From my ground anecdotal experience and reports I've read I think it's a little more nuanced than just voting basis caste.

In UP, the ground reality has not improved a lot in terms of earning capacity of the masses. While Modi/Yogi has built roads, very few can afford to the tolls. While Modi/Yogi claim to have brought in investment it's under heavy tax subsidies and at the end of the day social markers like education and health haven't improved remarkably.

Also we have to remember that people gave Modiji his way for 10 years hoping that they would get development which I think is a good timeframe for change. In the absence or the lack thereof it's gone back to square one.

Classic example is Ayodhya, a local there said their homes were demolished without compensation for the Ram Mandir and he asked why do we need a new airport when I can't afford to upgrade my bullock cart. Of course you can dismiss this as sentimental but people are not so naive either. BJP offered them an alternative to caste based politics, they gave them a chance and promptly reverted once the alternative was no longer viable.

DirtyDot5

Stealth5mo

Yes caste plays a role but you need to understand ground realities. What is development by the way? Higher GDP and stock market? Grand temples and airports? Vande bharat and bullet trains? 6 lane highways? India getting attention on the world stage? And please dont show me any growth data. Come back to reality, the average Indian is struggling. A country at our stage of growth with our huge demographic dividend needs to provide upward mobility for middle and lower income classes. Where is that?

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Stealth1mo

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