SquishyQuokka
Would you rather be an Engineer learning how to Product or a Product Manager learning how to Engineer?
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Answer is obvious mate. And it's already in motion. Everyone knows current product management breed is a messed up fraudulent bunch. They will run into poverty if they don't change waysđ
The comparison doesn't even make sense, information architects were like librarians. PMs build roadmaps and get things moving.
Quite the leap to assume engineers who are notorious for their social skills can easily, successfully learn the soft skills to be a good PM.
It takes 25 days of conscious effort to develop soft skills.
And over application of soft skills alone causes lack of trust as well. Value of words is as strong as the real character or substance. Engineering has that substance, but does product have it?
@salt you should really try to have an honest conversation with your PM or maybe someone who understands the role. If every second post of yours is âPM badâ maybe there is a deep seated issue or misunderstanding that you are projecting every alternate day?
@CraftyDune40 but, I am in Product. đ
I think your comment is aimed at people in the comments, I have merely asked a thought provoking neutral question.
Your apology is welcomed.
I am not speaking about this post in isolation but lot of other posts by you. Maybe you are neutral here, but iirc you are pretty critical otherwise in other posts.
Asking questions isnât bad but it makes one think if all the critical thinking comes primarily with a negative framing as this one did or (I believe) others did. The tweet definitely has a negative tenor to it.
Maybe you are doing that thing where critically analysing everything exposes chinks in armor, then more power to you but narratives are important and these posts usually devolve into folks easily shyting in PMs. Lot of PMs are already having a hard time getting things done in startups or companies that arent very mature yet.
As a PM, I am a person who knows how to make things that people want and will pay money for. That is the main skill. Whatever additional skills are needed, will learn or hire as needed.
PS: MOST of the engineering thatâs done in Indian companies isnât all that difficult. Read it again, I said most. I used to code way back. If you ignore all the frameworks and boilerplate code, things have become much simpler to implement now.
@AmusedPM That is indeed true. However, for folks who are working in specialised applications, they are working on the cutting edge. Although, they are supremely in the minority of Indian devs.
@AmusedPM Most of the products being built here are either being copied from outside or copied from other Indian competitors. Companies working on innovative or cutting-edge stuff is sadly pretty rare here. I hope this situation slowly improves in the future.
This post has some good comments about the PM role. https://share.gvine.app/gwbqMRuFWHJjBJve7
Personal fav: https://share.gvine.app/Pjmdp8ZvTbD59U6E6
Inexperienced kids creating a hostile environment with their aggressive and stupid comments and posts is mostly why quality members refrain from engaging. RIP.
I've read your personal fav post. They make many good points. I strongly agree that PMs understand business more and engineers understand tech more. But I still stand by what I said in my comment
The one where you assumed that the skills to become PM are more learnable than to become an engineer and conflated the idea with MLs and mathematicians which is completely different where maths is a foundation to ML?
Of course, based on your experience as a student makes sense đ«Ą
Question to all the software engineers.
What are some traits of the best PMs you have worked with - could be a behavioural aspect / work ethic / knowledge of the domain etc.
In the early days of my career, I had the privilege to work with an amazing PM. He had a Bachelor of Science in Astro...
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