Work Life Balance
I see a lot of posts about WLB, I want to know what do you consider as a decent WLB. I will go first. 1. Leave early if the work for that day is done 2. No pings and calls post work hours, there are always exceptions and thats okay, should not become a norm 3. Respecting when someone is in vacation and not disturbing them. 4. Not rejecting leaves I will add more in comments If more comes to my mind.
SaveBugs
Stealth
5 months ago
Rule of thumb
If you get work thoughts outside 9-6 or weekends, it's not WLB.
Micro-management is the biggest red flag for me and also night shifts.
RealOldmonk
Stealth
5 months ago
@Humanist123 yes, but for some its really needed, they start taking things for granted and start enjoying in the name of WFH. But in general I also really don't like micro management, big red flag for me as well
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This WLB is a shit dream; just a lie. Org like Google is pushing AI team more than 80 hours a week!
RealOldmonk
Stealth
5 months ago
Some people are living the dream, I myself included
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My WLB requirements are very simple.
1. I'm there for the company for the defined working hours.
2. Maximum working hours is 8.
3. Maximum work days is 5 per week
4. If you want me to work extra, pay extra and inform me 3-4 days ahead
RealOldmonk
Stealth
5 months ago
@BigBussyHunter are you getting all of these at your current place, point no 4, doesn't look like you can control that
Yes most of the time. We have to plan production deployments way ahead of time with change requests and other approvals. I've been here 2 years now. I was asked to work late twice and on weekend once but that was conveyed well in advance and paid accordingly.
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Rant alert!
I have only worked as an intern for an early-stage startup and my experience has been mostly bad. I believe that points 2 and 3 must be followed irrespective of the stage of your company or the seniority level of the employee.
Regarding 2nd point, I got a call (not a msg but a direct CALL) from my mentor and the Co-founder for a file that he misplaced and needed to work on and it was fucking 1 am on the 1st of January this year. 1 hour after the start of a new year. And this thing was a norm but this particular incident tops it all.
Regarding 3rd point, I was working on a file before my exams which my mentor kind of persuaded me to finish before I took my leave. It was not really possible to complete within time but I somehow did it. For context, it was my end-semester exam worth 50% of my grades and I had 6 exams on 6 consecutive days. 2 days later when he was working on the same file, he noticed an inconsistency in the data which I should have noticed as well (not blaming the unreasonable time deadline or anything). I had my exam at 2 pm (which he knew), he called me at 1 pm and then gave me a lecture on ownership and accountability. He basically said that he would not touch the file at all and I have to do it all over again ASAP. I assumed full responsibility and told him my situation and asked him to wait for me to come back from my exam. I did not really mind it since it was my mistake but I did not appreciate the fact that he did not try to cover for me or anything given the fact that I did most of the work, 12+ hours most days (even working during my lectures) and 6 days a week, even Sundays if needed. I came back at 5, saw 3 missed calls already from him, started and completed by 9 pm, and then logged out. The same thing happened the next day but this time it was an urgent file that the development team needed. Since I was the one handling data tasks and had all the files, he asked me to log in again. He then called the 3rd day again with similar 'urgent work' but this time I stood my ground and told him that I would be logging in on the next day after my exams ended. He did agree to that and yet called me to log in an hour later after my last exam.
Not a good experience for my very first internship to say the least.
RealOldmonk
Stealth
5 months ago
Why did you even continue
RealOldmonk
Stealth
5 months ago
@tommy_shelby you got scared even before stepping into corporate life, a lot depends on your mentor manager for you to grow and learn and get to your full potential, not everyone can bring do that and its a sad reality in Indian IT culture
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Donut
Stealth
5 months ago
5. Not asking the reason for leaves - its highly unprofessional and unnecessary.
6. Not taking on other teams/members lack of planning as my urgency and extending my day for it.
7. When working across timezones - Im working in my shift + taking calls in early morning/late nights. Huge issue in my current org - Im essentially working in 2 timezones while being paid for 1.
Having energy to bang my chick after returning from office means I have WLB.
In all the companies that I worked for
Annual Leaves there is no approval process ..
the manager gets notified. That's all .it's the responsibility of the person applying for leave to give. A heads up when taking annual leave
For casual and sick leaves less than 2 days you can inform the manager and apply after coming from leave.
For more than 2 days sick leave you need to have certificate from the doctor.
CanineJumbo
Stealth
5 months ago
I hate sick leaves. BC leaves are leaves
Work life balance means sleeping time - amount of work weighted = time given for personal life..
So following this calculation if you are sleeping 7 hours then working hours should be 24-7 = 17 , 17/2= 8.5 hours
If working hours including travel time is 8.5 hours then your WLB index is positive. Hope it makes clear
RealOldmonk
Stealth
5 months ago
@CoderTCS Including travel time is not practical in cities like bangalore, not everyone stay or can afford to stay near their office to save on travel time, you can optimise on travel time or the rent cost. I say 10 hours including commute in worst case I would say is a positive index
I have mentioned the definition, not everyone who will have positive index..even me if I had not wfh exception i would have spent 13 hours outside home
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1. WFH.
2. 3-4 hours of concentrated work.
3. Unlimited Leave policy ( although with the given amount of hours you won't be taking any ).
4. Minimal Meetings ( maximum 2 calls per day ).
5. No Disturbance on Vacation.
Please for the love of God. DO NOT CRAP on my family and personal time irrespective of the place/time/emergency. Your lack of planning and resources shouldn't become my burden to bear. Afterall I am just an employee for which you give a measly compensation. I DO NOT owe my life to ANY COMPANY.
I am working as manager and I can feel that team is actually not working productively for entire day and still they come and question about work life balance but here the reverse question to them is “ are you seriously working so much face work life balance issue “
Log in 11 AM and above
Lunch 1 hour
Snacks 30 minutes
Log off 6:30 PM maximum
They don’t even stay in office for 8 hours and still they charge 8 hours in time sheets for projects
Isn’t this life enough for them or still they want more work life balance
Is the expectation same from this group as well with respect to timings mentioned above?
On top this I need to get beltings from partner for things which team was supposed to do and informed to them as well.
Now a days people are not working only and they just want only money and no one to ask or bother about work
Reality is - extreme WLB means you have to take hit in your career growth.. Coz there is always one workaholic guy who will work 2x than you and more work is better WLB for this species.
Also.. As you grow in ladder. U have to take more meetings.. No exceptions.
So.. I now consider a different definition of WLB.
When I need time at work - my home adjusts.
When I need time at home - my work adjusts.
When I have less thing TO-DO at work.. I borrow time from work and give it to Home.. Be it gardening with kids, or a silly fight with wife.. Or spending some time in kitchen.
At the end of the month - if my family is satisfied - I call that WLB.
0 encroachment of work into non-working hours. If I feel that I need to solve something immediately, I’ll do it - without someone sitting on my head of course.
There is no ideal work life balance, its about work -life collaboration. We are not robots like we can work for 8-10 hrs and then switch off the minds on the work portion. There will be moments where personal life takes priority and if you can give that time to those moments , thats enough.
TMF
Stealth
5 months ago
My experience with the recent switch to a company has been bad, release dates are forced, strong push comes from upper management, and people stay late nights and sometimes even till 6-7 in the morning the next day just to release stuff on time. And it has been just 3 months into the switch.
But on the hind side, in this market and time, i should be grateful to have a job.
There is work life balance is you aren’t clocking more than 70hrs a week vs your offer letter that says 45hrs.
☝🏻This I have made peace with so that at least there is peace of mind on most days
Personally, I'M ok working 12 hours a day on work days, considering we really put 70 hrs a week without overtime pay here in India and that's the norm. But once I step my foot outside the office or shut down my laptop at home, I wouldn't want to entertain calls from any coworker or boss. Also, I'm strictly against working on weekends.
I was working for a firm which used to call us to office on Saturdays for no reason at all and we were informed about it on Friday evenings. It was also normal for boss to call you at any hour when you were home. But now I work for a firm where I put 12 hrs a day Mon to Fri and no one disturbs me after those 12 hrs or on weekends. So that's work life balance for me 😆
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