That's not a wise move. It could backfire and harm your reputation. Better to negotiate firmly and professionally for better terms.

We should apply and appear for interviews even when not required and refuse to share salaries, payslips etc... We might be rejected but at least such vibe will be given more promptly that employee ...

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We should apply and appear for interviews even when not required and refuse to share salaries, payslips etc... We might be rejected but at least such vibe will be given more promptly that employee won't bend as much they will ask to...

Let's unite and sabotage hiring in our favour......

Software Developer

Let's unite and sabotage hiring in our favour......- Grapevine

It’s disheartening to see 1000s of people being laid off in recent times. Most of them have a family to feed and EMIs / bills to pay.

Today it’s them and tomorrow it could be Me and You as well. 

And it’s pretty much clear that these new age companies are not empathetic and would go to any extent to meet their goals.

Why isn’t any employee doing anything about these atrocities? 

Following are the few ways to send out a strong message to these employers for abusing / blackmailing / and forcing resignations and PIPs (share more in comments)

1. Boycott their products / Services - make a noise about it on social media.

2. Stop subscribing to their IPOs or start dumping their stocks.

3. Uninstall their apps.

Time For a Revolution

Analytics Manager

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How many folks here 100% refuse to share last salary and are adant that HR state their budget. How do you guys do it and also has it ever happened that you needed up losing a great opportunity coz of this???

Refusing to tell last salary

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I have given interviews and cleared them.
I got a call from HR asking for payslips and another offer details.

They said they will get back with offer.

How to go about here? If they come with a lower offer than what i asked, how much liberty i have to ask further.
Does HR will come with 2-3 various levels of offer and then try to negotiate with me.

Any help or insights would be helpful in how HR comes with offer details.
My interviews were pretty good and i think they like me.

How does salary negotiation before offer work

Don't share payslips yet if possible. Do it after finalising your offer details. 
  
 What information have you shared? Current compensation? Expected range? Do you have any other offers in hand? 
  
 The game that follows now is that of leverage of information vs offer expiry timelines. 
  
 They will share an offer. You can call it "interesting" but don't share more details on if you like it or not - you need to "think more" before you can share your opinion. Say that you need to discuss it with your well-wishers and also evaluate compared to other opportunities. 
  
 Get back to them on email and call the offer "strong" (if it is really good) or "interesting" (for all other cases). Suggest some improvements to the offer that would make it more compelling for you. Don't guarantee that you will accept the offer if these things are provided (unless it's your last day till offer expiry). Keep negotiating with everyone that is interesting and keep dropping the non-interesting ones. 
  
 Also, don't call the negotiation discussions a "negotiation" - that word sounds negative. Call it "discussing offer details" or something. 
  
 FYI: All of these tips are from the highly popular negotiation blog posts by Haseeb. They've worked well for me.

Equity Research

I had been toiling in my current organization for a good while despite the compensation not being totally fair. Whenever I brought this discussion up with the CEO, he always played the friend card and promised to give me what I deserve once the company raises the next round. He also claimed to have supposedly saved me from the layoffs which was completely in his control in the first place. Now I got a better offer, kind of like a dream offer- one that I well deserve, and have convinced a challenging panel to get. One small concern is that during the initial stages of the application, I lied about how much I was getting paid currently. Now that I actually made it and got the offer, I have to submit the documents. How far are these things taken seriously?

Will payslip verification be taken seriously?

Digital Marketing

I'm been on the lookout for a new job and the first question recruiters ask is if I have an offer in hand and what's my expected CTC. 

The next time, i get asked from a recruiter if I have an offer in hand, I want to say yes. Is there a way for them to verify if there's an offer or not other than asking you to send a copy of it ?

Negotiating a higher salary

Communication

Disclaimer: I respect both of them, svs & SG; dare I say I am a fan.

But being on the other side of recruiting with all the power and influence of the corporate hierarchy, they seem to be out of touch.

Current reality: Firms put candidates on hold for months. HRs hardly reply to follow-ups. Processes with assignments that is free Labour in disguise. Asymmetry in salary negotiation (Companies asking for salary slips without telling us their budget/range).

Candidates are already on uneven field. SG and svs suggesting us to play it with integrity is bordering on their hypocrisy. 

If you like a candidate and he has multiple offers, There's a reason he has multiple offers. Either Pay up or shut up!

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Investment Manager

Expedia is set to layoff 1500 employees. Everybody is just laying off people giving any bullshit reason

https://officepulse.live/expedia-trims-workforce-in-restructuring-push

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/expedia-to-cut-about-1500-jobs-globally-amid-moderating-travel-demand/articleshow/108026228.cms

Expedia layoff

Hats off to that grapevine Samaritan who mentioned to hold whatever job you have as things will only get worse this year.

Recruiter

Software Architect

I joined a new position 4 months ago
After I accepted the offer, multiple sources told me I had left about 6-7L on the table

Yesterday I was going through the company's job site, and the difference between the starting salary and my salary is about 11L

Dead inside would be an understatement 

What can I do? Do I speak with my manager? 
If you were a manager, what would you do?

They obviously hand-twisted me to pay less, but damn so much saved. 

Please don't ask company name

Salary help

Consultant

I received a FTE offer for SDE 1 role from Amazon in September last year from my campus recruitment drive. How secure is my offer? Will I get affected by the ongoing layoff season?

Fresher offers at Amazon

Should I schedule an interview?

Senior Consultant

An HR from Infosys just contacted me on WhatsApp and asked about my details I told them I am comfortable talking on a call rather because I will explain better about my past job profile and other details and that shameless person showed attitude and blocked me.

HRs are worse than human beings and shameless they think people are there to satisfy their ego

Software Analyst

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I got to know that budget for the role i interviewed is in range of 20-25 LPA. My last drawn salary itself is lower than the market standards. The company wouldn't give hike more than 30% considering my experience in the role domain. But I have performed well in all my interview rounds. 
Any tips from the community to negotiate for atleast the lower band of their budget?

Salary negotiation

Marketing Manager

It's infuriating how everyone's advice to deal with layoffs is side hustles, wasting your life away to constantly upskill and reducing spending. Basically everyone here is saying "live life like shit to appease your corporate overlords" as if layoffs are OUR fault?

Instead, why aren't we seeing any advice on the lines of:

Build expertise in something while you're an employee and later start your own company/business/consultation on the basis of it. This will increase competition within businesses and will force them to treat their employees like humans. This was kind of the reason why things were generally good for employees from 2021-22 because all the startups popping up increased competition for labour.

Or if your employer lays a bunch of people off and starts giving the rest of you their workload, simply refuse! Don't work extra long or extra hard. Get the employees together collectively and make everyone, or at least the majority refuse to entertain these outlandish demands from your employers. What are they gonna do? Fire you all and lose their business? And if that's not going to work, just do everything very poorly and if you're asked about it, just cite that there is a lack of manpower needed to get quality results.

Basically, why have we collectively decided to take the short end of the stick and make our lives miserable when we should instead force employers to face consequences of THEIR OWN poor strategic planning? Why aren't we even discussing ideas for, let alone working on protecting our own best interests rather than interests of those who are screwing us over?

[Layoffs] Why have we just collectively decided to suck it up rather than retaliate?

Software Engineer

Standard stupid Indian HRs. Asking to share screen and resign. If you don't resign threatening to withhold the experience letter etc. 

Yaay to our labour laws!!

Persistent Systems forcing employees to resign

DevOps Engineer

To be very honest I feel very frustrated looking at the situation right now. Companies are laying off without worrying about the employees. It's just corporate profits everywhere.

I am scared to death that my career won't last long than 20 years because the moment these folks think you are becoming a financial burden on them, they'll lay you off.

I don't want to live my life in a constant war mode. The Indian education system has bruised my personality for a long time. I want to relax but looking at this battlefield I can never.

My weekends are spent worrying about planning for finances in case I get laid off. I am worried I won't be able to buy a house.

This shit is depressing me very much. Other folks please tell me how are you navigating this mess?

Soulless Corporations

Mandatory : keep on up skilling 
 Optional :  go outside India or move to operational roles(as it doesn't need creativity bone)  
  
 In your 30's you shouldn't explore stuff, stick with one domain(example : digital marketer) be the SME. In 40s you'll have 10+ years experience of a domain, and you're part of that domains evolution  
  
 No one wil have the know how you gained in 10 years

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