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From the last few days there were talks going on about layoffs in Morgan Stanley. Some 7% of the global staff will be handed over the pink slip in this week. 
Well... It started happening from today ... Few colleagues from my department were laid, and the reason being "company is trying to survive in the market, company is planning the road ahead by taking such bold steps".
When this was announced, my anxiety shot up the next level and I couldn't wait for the meeting to finish.
The past few years have not been great for the business worldwide due to which many companies are forced to take such steps. These companies just have been doing a hiring spree from the last 1-2 years that now they are regretting their decisions and letting off their employees.
My question is - "If a company hires excessively during the bull market and is forced to lay off few of the employees during the downturn, has the company made an error by not evaluating the headcount or it was just simply the need of the hour" 
 
Please note - I know many people out there who have faced job cuts due to many factors, sincerely requesting people to take this matter very seriously

Layoffs - A complete mess made by the companies

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One of the old employees dropped a bomb of an e-mail against the entire leadership of PhonePe Mass Offline leadership addressing about mental harassment, hostile comments, threatening to sack, and pushing employees to have no work life balance. This mail was sent to the Founder Sameer Nigam and the HR Head.

Ex Employee shares a mail about workplace culture and toxicity at PhonePe

Respected Sir/Madam, 
 I am writing in regards to the current environment at our (PhonePe) workplace. I believe that there are several factors that could be addressed to create a better environment for employees, and I would like to bring these issues to your attention. 
 First, Our Top Management Leader Mr XYZ, ABC & STU is mentally harassing employees 
 and intimidation are common occurrences in the workplace. This is in the form of hostile comments, threatening to sack, creating undue pressure. It is creating a detrimental effect on employee morale and productivity. 
 Secondly the work-life balance is often out of balance, with long working hours (8:00 am to 10:00 pm and limited opportunities for relaxation or breaks, it is leading to burnout and stress-related illnesses. It is essential that employees are given reasonable working hours and frequent breaks to ensure their physical and mental wellbeing. 
 Fourth, These managers shout at employees on occasions by calling them on calls and asking random questions and harassing. This type of behavior is not conducive to creating a productive environment within the org. It only serves to create an atmosphere of fear and anxiety among employees. It is important that managers treat employees with respect and professionalism at all times. 
 Lastly, to say - Sales is a continuous process and it fluctuates day on day depending upon good and bad weather, political environment, absentism in team etc but managers above and down the line shout only for numbers without recognition for our hard work. This is leading to burnout and discontentment among employees who feel taken advantage of or undervalued. 
 Furthermore these action have had severe consequences in those leaders personnel family relationships, causing irreparable damage of their own life is trying to damage life of others by ruthless behaviour and poor decisions. 
 Finally I have decided to leave the organisation and I hope this will be taken into consideration when creating a p

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Young SWE start with double digit salaries, while someone in Non tech will need 5-10 years to reach that level
Even the business roles, the direct revenue generating roles don't pay good traditionally

Funny how techies think everyone gets paid similar
A lot of it changed with startups trying to acquire talent, but not sustainable
Because the market simply doesn’t pay

How do non tech compete with this skewed demand-supply chain?

Tech and Non tech Pay Partiality is something no one talks about

Engineers deserve their pay.  
  
 1 - The code that engineers write are assets of a company. The code might keep running and serving customers for years after a engineer has probably even left the company.  
 On the other hand, the work that most non-tech folks do are not assets, but an operational expense.  
  
 Companies don't derive benefit of a non-tech even beyond the same month the work is performed.  
  
 The difference is the same as painting your house vs brushing your teeth. You don't paint your house everyday but you do brush your teeth. Painting here is a long lasting asset, adds to the value of the house. Brushing is necessary work but with ultimately perishable benefits.  
  
 2 - Code that engineers write provide non-linear benefits. A team of 30 in Zerodha were able to serve 3-5x more customers in the pandemic. This same scalability does not apply to non-tech majdoori. Business has scaled? Hire more heads. Not with code. 
  
  
 Obviously above does not apply to senior managerial folks who build and architect the organisation, set the cultures, create processes. The impact of their work is long lasting and non-linear. But work of junior business non-tech folks - well, they're getting paid as much as the value they create. Low leverage, low pay. Coding is very high leverage. 
  
 Before you jump on me, I worked for sales in years. Then shifted to product. Above two points are a reality whether you like it or not.

Product Manager

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I am manager at Amazon, Did BBA,MBA from a private institution. Now I feel that the scope for tech is more as compared to operations. 
I have indulged my self in a python course, though I am learning a lot new things but feels like practise could be the best teacher here.

Looking forward for some great suggestion from my tech buddies that what all I can take care of so that this journey remains engaging for me and does not lead to only frustration !

Transition from operations role to a tech !

Manager

Okay I want to move to tech... Right now I'm an Ads Performance Optimizer with an MBA and want to pivot into tech. I don't know where to start what to do... 
People who have moved from non tech to tech please give me your valuable suggestions!

Non-tech to tech?

Account Manager

Expedia is set to layoff 1500 employees. Everybody is just laying off people giving any bullshit reason

https://officepulse.live/expedia-trims-workforce-in-restructuring-push

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/expedia-to-cut-about-1500-jobs-globally-amid-moderating-travel-demand/articleshow/108026228.cms

Expedia layoff

Hats off to that grapevine Samaritan who mentioned to hold whatever job you have as things will only get worse this year.

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Software Architect

Guys with 15+ years of experience working as developer, do we really have a future with companies looking to replace you with younger generation.
One layoff and I know it will really hard task to find a new job.

I have already started thinking of alternative path.
What are you thinking.

Developers with 15+ work experience

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If you're not an engineer/PM/QA and earning 25L+/year, please share your designation, role and how did you get there? 

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Hi all,

I am looking for pdfs or YouTube video links for any learning resources to up skill my tech stack understanding in a Pm role. TIA

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Hi! I'm in a non tech role at a tech company - I work in Corporate Communications. Are there others here who work in similar roles?

Non tech role at a tech company

Communication

I have my senior managers who are 32-33 and are making 1cr+ per year.
What do people do at the age of 40 or 50
Is there a scope for further salary increments or role increments?

Unless someone works at a company like HUL, what is the future?

Long lasting in corporate

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I'm a Bcom grad with 2 years of experience as a US recruiter and around 1 year of experience as a customer service rep. I was into IT and tech stuff but I did not pursue anything at the time. Now I am very interested in changing my career paths to anything in the fields of IT but idk what interests me in specific all I know is I am not very fond of the coding side of IT. So can you please suggest what courses/certifications would help me secure a job?

How do I switch my career to IT?

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There has been a huge influx of posts dissing roles like Product, Marketing, HR etc. by Techies.

Every other post, or comment is made by them undermining the value of other depts and these cuties think business runs just by their sub-par code.

I understand that their delusion stems from the fact they get paid huge salaries by loss making companies. Which is bound to crash sooner or later. 

Rant over.

Why are Techies so delusional?

Interesting POV. 
  
 Nassim Nicholas Taleb mentions an interesting advice. If you don’t know what to do, follow what the smartest people in your generation are doing. 
  
 These are almost exclusively fulfilling and financially attractive opportunities 
  
 According to him, in the 1990s Lebanon, the smartest kids in undergrad went and became Economists. In the 2010s, the smartest kids became Software Engineers. 
  
 Perhaps, their ego does not stem from the money but from competence.  
  
 However, true charisma is merging that competence with warmth. And for that, you must eliminate the ego.

Share some jobs or function names which are highly overvalued and overpayed?

Mine. I am a DevOps engineer at a fintech startup, I write server configurations for 45L/y and I work about 10 - 20 hours a week, remotely. I keep thinking they’ve figured out how easy my job is and decided to fire me and then instead they tell me I’m doing a great job and promote me 🤌🏻

Business Development Manager

I have 20 years in IT, working as a Backend Server Side professional. My skill sets are in Java, Spring, Spring Boot, worked in Apache Kafka, ELK stack too. I had been laid off in January 2023, after that been doing some freelance, contract jobs just to get along. But it is becoming really hard to get a permanent one. Have given interviews but no result so far. Would appreciate any help and leads.

IT professional looking actively.

I’m an engineer by graduation, but I ended up working at Bain and got laid off last year. Maybe, consulting isn’t the right industry for me, but I’m looking for something that’s not as technical as a core engg or an IT job, but also not as non technical as Human Resources (I don’t mean to demean HR, but this is based on my perception). 
What would be the right kind of job for me?

What’s a non technical technical role?

Hello everyone.. can anyone suggest some tech related IT domain in which I can enter as a fresher .. basically I am not a fresher I have 2 years of gap I am 2021 mech passout.. I have knowledge of advanced SQL, intermediate python, basics of c/c++ ,Excel,POWER BI .. please  suggest some domains other than data analytics it's very crowded there...and as I am having difficulties getting a decent or tech related job .. I also thought about full stack web d. but it is also very  crowded I want to get a job this year itself as I have already wasted a lot of time.

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