ZestyQuokka
ZestyQuokka

Tech and Non tech Pay Partiality is something no one talks about

Young SWE start with double digit salaries, while someone in Non tech will need 5-10 years to reach that level Even the business roles, the direct revenue generating roles don't pay good traditionally

Funny how techies think everyone gets paid similar A lot of it changed with startups trying to acquire talent, but not sustainable Because the market simply doesn’t pay

How do non tech compete with this skewed demand-supply chain?

10mo ago
GigglyLlama
GigglyLlama

Engineers deserve their pay.

1 - The code that engineers write are assets of a company. The code might keep running and serving customers for years after a engineer has probably even left the company.
On the other hand, the work that most non-tech folks do are not assets, but an operational expense.

Companies don't derive benefit of a non-tech even beyond the same month the work is performed.

The difference is the same as painting your house vs brushing your teeth. You don't paint your house everyday but you do brush your teeth. Painting here is a long lasting asset, adds to the value of the house. Brushing is necessary work but with ultimately perishable benefits.

2 - Code that engineers write provide non-linear benefits. A team of 30 in Zerodha were able to serve 3-5x more customers in the pandemic. This same scalability does not apply to non-tech majdoori. Business has scaled? Hire more heads. Not with code.

Obviously above does not apply to senior managerial folks who build and architect the organisation, set the cultures, create processes. The impact of their work is long lasting and non-linear. But work of junior business non-tech folks - well, they're getting paid as much as the value they create. Low leverage, low pay. Coding is very high leverage.

Before you jump on me, I worked for sales in years. Then shifted to product. Above two points are a reality whether you like it or not.

ZippyBanana
ZippyBanana

100% agreed. This is my viewpoint as well when someone argues why engineers are highly paid

SwirlyMochi
SwirlyMochi
Rupeek10mo

My friend, you have no clue about the reference you’re even drawing. Zerodha is a pure play tech company, why tf would they even hire business roles. Also to your point on code being an asset, an account gotten by a sales rep is what creates value for the code. Grow your mind out of b2c pls

BouncyHamster
BouncyHamster

Funny how newbies in Bollywood earn crs but young techies don't. What on earth are we comparing. Bullshit

GoofyWalrus
GoofyWalrus
Atlan10mo

Love it

SleepyLlama
SleepyLlama

Tech is just a glorified enabler. All the high salaries you see are mostly due to funding and low interest rates. Business roles demand high salaries because they are directly linked to profits. Also, in business roles, your value increases with experience. With tech roles, you need hands on experience with each new random tech that comes into the picture. So experience is not valued after a certain point I feel. Also, I'm sure this is a very unpopular opinion - coding just isn't that hard. You put in enough effort, you can do it.

PrancingSushi
PrancingSushi

And in business if you put enough effort you can’t do it?

DancingBoba
DancingBoba

What are your thoughts on AI and its future implications on Business Roles. For technical roles it’s clear that it will assist programming, I’m unsure of its impact on business roles.

Also, what “business roles” pay at same level of tech roles?

SwirlyTaco
SwirlyTaco

Only in tech work can impact by millions of people life.

ZestyQuokka
ZestyQuokka

Yea someone coded the shirt you wear and food you eat

GigglyLlama
GigglyLlama

No, but an engineer designed the machine that made manufacturing billions of shirts possible. Your comment is incredibly stupid.

SqueakyWalrus
SqueakyWalrus
Student10mo

No techies don't think everyone gets paid similar

In fact parents(&society)pushes us into tech because they presumed techies earn shitloads of money...(which is somewhat true)

And that's why techies chose to be in tech, and stay away from bi roles!

#My_2_paisa 😐

SwirlyMochi
SwirlyMochi
Rupeek10mo

The comments on this post are either by techies defending themselves or PMs who are also in an over glorified role. I work in enterprise tech and am very close to the developments happening in the ecosystem but internationally and in India. There’s gonna come a time when code will be commodified and actual people skills will trump keyboard ninjas. Anything which can be trained will be consumed by AI. People on the other hand are more complex and will always be decision makers. Go out into the real world and get your hands dirty in actual business, you’re gonna need it soon

ZestyQuokka
ZestyQuokka

🙏 People Management is top skill. It won't be replaced by AI, can't be

GigglyLlama
GigglyLlama

If anything it's the reverse. It's the age of nerds, builders and creators. It's the age of tinkerers and hobbyist. People skills are increasingly made redundant in a world that is increasing more structured due to software. People skills were critical for mobility a hundred years ago. Less so 30 years. Much less 5 years. People skills will matter much less in two decades. Over-glofiried "people's" persons will be left with nothing to do.

GigglyBanana
GigglyBanana

It is due to simple supply demand in itself. The sheer number of people who are on the business side are >> no of people who can code, or adjacent. This small pool further inflates their value due to startups mandated to splurge capital after every raise and not having the discipline and patience to keep a fixed bar. This leads to over spending on tech vs business in the earlier stages. Moreover, business side folks have the financial understanding to keep people costs lower as they are measured by business value vs people, whereas tech is measured by velocity more than costs

GigglyBanana
GigglyBanana

Likely to autocorrect given the proliferation of AI agents, but would take >7 years to normalize the skew

GigglyPotato
GigglyPotato

There's almost 50 percent reduction of swe job postings, so correction kinda there

QuirkyJellybean
QuirkyJellybean

Majority of people working in tech & most of the commentors here have no clue how businesses work. They think they'll just write code & it'll magically appear in front of millions of customers creating revenue & impact, without having any marketing & growth folks.

Also, I have seen the kind of product higly paid developers make when there's no/minimal PM/Designer involvement. Good luck shipping that shit to customers.

I don't think the value creation by tech is any better than non-tech. Both need each other for any real business to exist, and are useless in it's absence.

The only reason for pay disparity is supply-demand. In the recent few years, tech & digitalization have expanded so much across all fields, demanding a lot of work & there are just not enough skilled engineers to do that.

ZestyQuokka
ZestyQuokka

Summed up what I was trying to say :)

QuirkyJellybean
QuirkyJellybean

@FreshDew5 you're completely missing the point. If you could come out of your little bubble & think beyond your team, you'd understand what I'm trying to say.

Individual teams can easily exist without their tech/non-tech counterpart. But the overall business can't.

If your sales & account managers didn't bring & retain those thousands of clients that Oracle serves, you'd have nothing to fuck up & nothing to save.

FloatingTaco
FloatingTaco

I feel like techies have a very high entry price. But after a point it tapers off, unless they kill it at management. For non-tech, I think it is gradual. And so in the early years it feels very unfair for sure.

SleepyNarwhal
SleepyNarwhal

WTH is this rage bait topic,, got nothing better to do @BiryaniEnthu

ZestyQuokka
ZestyQuokka

Bait topic?
Have you considered reasons for virtual inflation in cities like Bangalore and Gurgaon? Are the products sold actually expensive or hiked because people are ready to pay premium? Who all can pay premium?

People who have reached certain monetary threshold see this as Bait topic. Others who haven't, are stuck in that bait

SleepyNarwhal
SleepyNarwhal

And you think it’s the salary of IT professionals that is driving the inflation? Do you have the data to back up that assertion?

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