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Today, I was reading a series of posts where there was a lot of negative talk about the SDET role compared to SDE. One comment even went so far as to say it's like comparing IITs to local TIITs. Wh...

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Today, I was reading a series of posts where there was a lot of negative talk about the SDET role compared to SDE. One comment even went so far as to say it's like comparing IITs to local TIITs. What makes SDETs worth less, and why do people have a mindset that they are nothing more than losers?

What's it you hate about SDETs

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Indian SDEs on LinkedIn & Twitter are some of the worst engineers you will ever find across the real world. Their typical value lies around:

- Cracking a FAANG/MAANG or Product company.
- Make an announcement on LinkedIn & Twitter and accumulating followers.
- Starting YouTube channel, Topmate links, affiliate marketing channels, and more.
- Rant DSA, System Design, Interview resources all day long. 
- Post daily of their office, their colleagues, candid shots, and barely getting any work done.

While this is expected out of early career professionals, it pains to see senior SDEs doing the same shit over and over again. Things don't end here — Everyone talks about creating a revolution. And the revolution is teaching DSA. 

If you are an experienced SDE and still ranting DSA, it just means that you have barely learnt anything that is of worth any value. You are atmost a "Ticket Engineer". You get assigned a Jira ticket, you bust your ass solving it, and that's it. That's your entire value. 

Its high time that these "Bhaiya", "Didis", "Bhabhis" stop ranting DSA and System Design over and over, and build something of real value. You would barely see any credible open-source projects coming out of India (but hey, we have some many contributors!), barely any Indie dev project, or anything that captures the attention of the world. 

Literally every popular SDE you might follow or see over your social media is the same. Their entire community game is a farce and designed to capture gullible college students and shill thousands of rupees out of them. You might be featured on Times Square ($40 ka showoff), but no one would remember you for anything that you built.

<Rant Over. Peace>

Indian SDEs will do all DSA and System Design chatter but cannot create any real value

If absolutely all software engineers obsess over business metrics rather than technology it would be net-net great outcome for the ecosystem as well for the individual economically, socially.

I find it childish when a CTO/Architect/Principal engineer obsess over code & infra architecture, low level/high level design, scalability.

Outcome:
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I want engineers at all seniority levels and all disciplines must only care about biz metrics. Product management should cease to exist. 

Everything tech will fall into place. 

If you were the product manager of the "bangalore", how would you approach this?

One approach i thought -
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To get into Bangalore tech ecosystem you must need a certification from a institution (For ex: Tech School), absolutely mandatory from this school irrespective of your college background. 

This tech school will allow everyone to enter, online lectures, teach customer empathy, research, industry standard tech, product management, design. Aim is to set correct mindset for growth and first principle thinking. 

This will make college background irrelevant.

What can we do to make software engineers obsess over business metrics rather than tech

Founder

Why professionals working for quality only stick to tools but not interested to understand the frameworks they are built on. Most of the SDETs just stick to automation tools for functional testing but do not progress to write unit tests. Is it due to lack of technical expertise for these profiles?

SDETs just stick to automation tools

Have an offer from a growth stage startup for SDE Intern.

Subsequently, also an offer from Fintech PBC.

Tech stack at Startup: Java, Spring, MongoDB 

Tech stack at Fintech PBC: Testing framework and tools

Startup stipend: 25,000 Rs
Fintech PBC stipend: 60,000 Rs

My inclination is more towards the SDE role purely because of the wide exposure while the money at Fintech is too good for now but there is not much room from growth and also with Al taking over
Help me make a decision!

SDE Intern vs SDET Intern

Hi Folks,

I am a penetration tester having 7 years of experience. Though I am doing pretty well in my current role, I am not feeling the impact it creates. Security is seen as a support function and does not bring real value other than audit reports for the sake of regulatory requirements.

Building something gives the real impact on thousands of customers. I want to switch to SDE roles, willing to put whatever the effort it takes. 

Suggestions please.

From Security Testing to SDE - Career Suggestion

Cybersecurity

People affected by recent layoffs at swiggy, can reach out to this folk for SDE3 profile.

Hiring Alert!

Program Manager

There has been a huge influx of posts dissing roles like Product, Marketing, HR etc. by Techies.

Every other post, or comment is made by them undermining the value of other depts and these cuties think business runs just by their sub-par code.

I understand that their delusion stems from the fact they get paid huge salaries by loss making companies. Which is bound to crash sooner or later. 

Rant over.

Why are Techies so delusional?

Interesting POV. 
  
 Nassim Nicholas Taleb mentions an interesting advice. If you don’t know what to do, follow what the smartest people in your generation are doing. 
  
 These are almost exclusively fulfilling and financially attractive opportunities 
  
 According to him, in the 1990s Lebanon, the smartest kids in undergrad went and became Economists. In the 2010s, the smartest kids became Software Engineers. 
  
 Perhaps, their ego does not stem from the money but from competence.  
  
 However, true charisma is merging that competence with warmth. And for that, you must eliminate the ego.

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I got an oncampus offer from deshaw (Sdet role 52 ctc) and I have one more offer from Blackrock (sde role 20 ctc).
What should I opt for ?

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AMA Sprinklr Product Engineering intern

I am an engineer, what I enjoy is solving technically challenging problems. I don't really want to spend my time bothering with non-code solutions to your business problem, and I don't care how much money my code makes you. Just have a tech lead give me a challenging tech problem to solve or build for(WITH the necessary requirements) and I'll get it done. Simple. 


Personally I'm saddened to see how chasing impact has taken over all good tech companies, and how you basically HAVE to create value and take ownership in other ways if you want to be SDE-3 or higher. I would rather be a more technically competent, deliverer SDE (think someone who's extremely good at being an SDE-1). Climbing the SDE ladder is boring.

Any other engineers find it boring and frustrating to chase impact?

To be fair, companies are paying you to earn money, not solve tech 
  
 You have to find things to simplify and innovate in that impact only

Software Developer

Bcz of the outburst of ai I feel there are a lot of data scientist/machine learning engineer/data engineer roles in the market and sde roles have bcz very scarce with 1000s of applications
Should ppl shift to these roles from sde ?

Sde has less opening compared to ds/mle/de roles

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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shubham-dhage_swiggy-freshers-hiring-activity-7133781706456612864-r14s?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

Referrals for aSDE role (freshers) at Swiggy. To whoever this is helpful for...

I am a fresher 2023 graduate and have been doing this (applying for jobs) for almost a year, everyone said you have to do internships as it is necessary so did 2 internships one for a year and another for 6 months but apparently no one counts internships as experience even jobs that had 1-3 yoe as requirement and now everyone's hiring 2024 grads as freshers (I tried to look for another internship but there were none during the time of placements).

I am now tired of this field, many full stack devs don't know shit outside Javascript world and many of them can't even use tools like git properly and are so cocky of themselves. 

Saw an SDE on twitter who apparently has 6 years of experience, doesn't even know how to configure multiple SSH and says managing multiple ssh is a downside. A women dev (cause in India you have engineers and female engineers apparently) doesn't know about sidebar cache and calls it a bug and she's in google. and If I try to roast these people with my real name there's a whole cabal of Banglorians who will grab their macbooks inside third wave coffee and start tweeting against me after aggressively drinking their Chocolate mocha frappe.

Just go into any random tech twitter space no one seems to be talking about tech it's always about DSA, interviews, LIFE IN BANGLORE, which cafe they visited.

I let myself believe tech was my passion and worked hard  for but Indian techies and companies are worst, this generation thinks they are better than their predecessor but follow the same politics everywhere even when it comes to Tech communities (who tf does politics in a community that produces open source code wtf).

They talk about networking and creating a community all the time but can't even respond to linkedin cold dm and blame the sender by nitpicking about the format 👏👏 and then they'll go on post the screenshot and rant how it's the sender fault to even try to network with them with a message that isn't written from their own blood.

Tech rant

Bangalore tech scene is weird man. I feel even the auto driver knows how to code and the third wave barista is definitely doing leetcode because that coffee & sandwich clearly don't take 15 minutes to make

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Did McKinsey hire McKinsey to figure out how McKinsey should do cost cutting in a negative macro environment?

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Have lately been exploring switching out from Uber to early stage startups. Exploring founding engineer roles / CTO roles with people I know well

The worst of it has been just the fact that our salaries are hard to match (even with Cash + ESOP, no matter what you do)

Like I know you need to be okay with less cash. But I now feel that it’s such a jump down, I wonder if it makes sense.

And then this feeling forever makes me averse to trying out something big, risky, bold.

It’s a catch-22 situation lol

Uber feeling like a CTC trap and it is ruining my life

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I am honestly just furious at the pay difference between the salary of an sde and a pm. Both work just as hard.

Why are project managers paid less?

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I'm at the highest level, just did shrooms. No possibility of me being laid off because my design skills just went through the roof.

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