Why do people shit on product managers

I am honestly just furious at the pay difference between the salary of an sde and a pm. Both work just as hard.

Lol. These are the problems of useless folk that haven't got a clue on what it takes to actually build something for real. Always cribbing about someone else not doing their job. Which makes sense because there is not one real thing you people actually do. U product managers are whole new level of free loaders. You want a less toxic life? Learn a real skill!

its advertised as minj CEO role but what is the reality?

Whenever you a call PM fraud here, they come & put justifications like you don't know business, products built by Engineers are shyt, only PMs can build good products, engineers don't prioritize business needs bla bla. A data scientist/analytics perspective: 1. When we call a PM fraud, we refer to mainly those who come without a background in either of tech or business. Cool wannabes straight out of college & learnt nothing but attitude over years. If a PM was an engineer, or analytics, or business or ops, then others first see him/her as engineer/etc & then a manager. That's the right way it should be. 2. 'Business won't be prioritized' is such a complacency: Business is bread & butter of Analytics and AI. It is the primary thing we check in interviews, a large portion of the interview focus' on the problem statement and prioritisations. End note: PMs are hot, but only when they have a solid foundation in stuff they are building. They need to know depths. Anyone apart from this breed are worthless & Indian startups are filled with this shyt A best PM would be a senior engineer/analyst with penchant for business practicality & customer perspective. Why of 1st Point? Because how can you manage a team when you don't even know what that team does? For eg: I can tell my PM any random blabbing about why model is working/not & she has no idea to judge my words. Leave AI, with tech pipelines too I can give any deadlines & justify it how would she know? Besides if they don't have tech background they bring in random expectations which is far away from feasibility. Why should any tech guy respect them? They can understand business req, connect with business teams and build better. That's the exact role of a project manager.

Experienced Product, Tech, Sales, founder folks of GV, what would be your one piece of advice for a new APM/PM (1-2 yoe) in the industry, that would help them in the long run. Feel free to also let us know any mistakes you made as a Product guy, early in your career.

Saw a non-technical PM crib on Grapevine about this. The thing is I’m not the nicest guy in the Universe because I’m the smartest. And being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets. You know, smart people get a chance to climb on top and take reality for a ride, but it'll never stop trying to throw you, and eventually it will. There's no other way off. And you take the chance. No respect for people who play a game of thrones. Masking behind powerful men, and hide in their shadow to get their bidding done. When a company has people problems bigger than the problem the company is trying to solve, you know what to do then...

There has been a huge influx of posts dissing roles like Product, Marketing, HR etc. by Techies. Every other post, or comment is made by them undermining the value of other depts and these cuties think business runs just by their sub-par code. I understand that their delusion stems from the fact they get paid huge salaries by loss making companies. Which is bound to crash sooner or later. Rant over.

I feel there is no light for this tunnel for many more months to come. 11150+ Applications for 1 Post. Can't imagine the level of competition.

Met a PM from IIT / IIM with 4 years of experience. He is working at a well know soonicorn at a salary of 17 lakhs per year . He used to draw 30 lakhs per year in his last role before we was laid off . Interesting Times ahead