Why are project managers paid less?
I am honestly just furious at the pay difference between the salary of an sde and a pm. Both work just as hard.
I could teach a 12th standard kid, how to do project management. Don’t need some Lean Six Sigma or Black Belt/Yellow belt thing 😂😂
Look at the relative difficulty, also look at the difference in the value created by the 99th percentile SDE v/s the 99th percentile Project Manager.
I can assure you 99th percentile SDE brings in more than 10x 💵 than the 99th percentile Project Manager.
Also, Project Managers are not PMs. Product Managers are.
Tholaram
Stealth
a year ago
Both PMs ( product and project ) are lazy unneeded bums for the most part. There’s a reason engineers don’t like them.
Dank
Stealth
a year ago
Haha true, maybe you don't need a Product manager, sure. But I'm sorry to say, engineers are shit empaths.
And it's not your fault either, you're not best placed in the decision tree to realise the need.
If you didn’t have Project and Program guys, the engineers would just get into a loop of feature dev and nothing would ever get shipped. Sorry but I’ve seen it happen.
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Dank
Stealth
a year ago
Hmm. Looks like you're yet to learn the concept of supply demand xD
No i do get it. But as a general trend I have seen SDEs and tech roles always get paid more than non tech roles.
Idiosyncratic
Student
a year ago
They do the real thing. Non tech roles are there to assist them with their work.
The self entitled attitude and the bubble sde s in this platform are at is at another level. 99th percentile is a very bad metric to compare. What does an average SDE bring to the table? There are many smarter ppl in finance and consulting compared to you guys in tech!
BornAnalyst
Stealth
a year ago
Thank you for saying this. I am amazed at the ignorance of tech folks here about how critical a project manager it. You give a project that needs to go through 5 engineering teams and just watch it disintegrate without a project manager.
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the concept of purely a management role is outdated. In this day and age tech staff is growing to be more and more self governing ...
The larger the hierarchy of PMs in the org, the more useless they become in their actuality... I'm sorry if it sounds harsh but that's what I've seen in my half a decade of exp. ... I would however love to hear a counter argument purely based on logic and devoid of personal bias.
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avgspacelover
Stealth
a year ago
Are you being serious?
avgspacelover
Stealth
a year ago
Noi meant that you need help. The difference is justified. I have done both roles. Pm don't even come close to tech in term of complexity
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