The comment is pretty good https://dev.to/themuneebh/youre-not-a-software-engineer-youre-a-frameworker-3bkk#comment-2en1o

Software Developer

Software Engineer

Someone hired me once to make their “web app with a crm”. Which was just a content website with 15-20 pages. I wrote static html and CSS and taught the guy how to edit the text directly in html in notepad (told him .. don’t touch the tags. Just edit the text.)

Product Manager

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You're not a software engineer; you're a "frameworker"

You're not a software engineer; you're a "frameworker"- Grapevine

Software engineer

Hi, just reaching out to people working in core technology and engineering (Not IT, Consulting, PM, UI/UX People) for general discussion on the state of R&D in India, your pay, comparisons to IT folks by your family friends etc.
You may be working in R&D as an engineer or building some deep tech product as an entrepreneur
Non exclusive list
Mechanical/Chemical/Material engineers
People working on Drones/Robots/Transportation/Defense Tech

I am missing a lot of fields here, but I believe there are lot of communities out there of software engineers, design folks, MBAs, not much of the hands on engineers in India

Shoutout to Core/Deep Tech People

Robotics Engineer

"What's the difference between a programmer and a software engineer? One writes code, the other writes code that works."

It’s clear that companies won’t need engineers 10 years from now. 

They’ll just need people who know what to make. Who to sell to. How to sell to. At what price. 

This will be the great commoditization of Software development

Take it or leave it.

[Hot Take] AI will make SWEs redundant, PMs and Marketers will become the most important job

This is an L take for someone who works at Google
It is supremely obvious that SWEs are about to enter the golden era of Software Engineering. We are easily foreseeing 2x-2.5x improvement in developer productivity rate. You should go touch some grass or else you will end up becoming PM guru who shills substandard-courses to poor kids.

Product Marketing Manager

1. You are building a software that otherwise could be built by a 12 year old kid, if given proper training.
2. You cannot code if I cut off google, stackoverflow & related websites.
3. You are just concerned about producing the output quickly because a. your work is time bound, b. you want to stand out from others.
4. You attend countless meetings that carry no value, thanks to Agile.
5. 10 people write code for the same software which otherwise could have been written by 1 person.
6. You write pages of documents just because you are expected to write for the team, compliance & stuff.
7. You don’t care about non-functional requirements as nobody asked for it.
8. You are spending hours together in coding a simple thing & you are branded a hard-worker.
9. Or you don’t spend much time in coding because you impress people with tech jargons that you learnt recently. You are branded a smart-worker.
10. The code you write will be completely rewritten in next 3-4 years just to catch up with the industry trends.
11. Your only goal is to earn loads of money which otherwise could not be earned in other engineering fields. That’s one of the reasons why you are on grapevine.

Prove me wrong if you can, by commenting your opinion.

Software engineering job is highly overrated. Prove me wrong if you can.

Tell me you are a mediocre programmer/ work with mediocre programmers /an idiot without telling me you are.

Founder

Software Architect

What do you think, does they both mean the same?

Software developer === Software engineer?

Welcome to Product Managers's Private Community

Ask me anything except my company name, or things that can reveal my identity. I may respectfully choose not to respond to your question based on my own judgement.

Here’s a brief intro about me: I’ve worked as both software engineering manager & software technical architect over the last 18+ years on various tech stacks managing backend, frontend and a little bit of cloud. I have seen ups and downs in the software industry. Currently I’m working as a senior architect in one of the product based companies in India.

I’ve been an Engineering Manager before. Ask me anything.

Long post ahead!!!


Its been around a year since I've started working in a service based company as a Frontend dev, WLB, compensation and all is good based on I've just started.
During this year of working I do not feel like I've done anything, our team is working on a product for past 2-3 year and its nearing the completion. My role was mostly to cordinate with testing team and solve frontend bugs and minor addition to the project (which was mostly copy pasting), even doing these minor task took me some time initially and I still have to take help from seniors time to time. 
I got kinda bored with all the repetitive task and I requested my manager to assign me to other development happening within team, he agreed and assigned me some different task but I cant seem to understand anything here, 
I get stuck in the most basic things, I feel stupid when I am not able to come up with easy solutions.

I am seeing other engineers learning new tech stacks in a small amount of time and getting hold of it while i am not able to understand things in my own tech stack.

I've recently gotten a appraisal as well(my company is quite good and gives it to everyone) and I feel like I don't deserve a bit of it.

 I am a 2023 graduate , I did MCA because that was the only good option I could see for myself(mostly cz of money) at that time earlier to that I did a bachelor's (Non CS) without gaining any knowledge of anything.
My basics are not that good, In college my only focus was to get a job so I did DSA and some front-end development using ReactJS(projects mostly code along with ytube) to be able to grab a good placement.

Is software engineering not for me? If no, then how do I overcome this, i don't wanna be a mediocre.

Am I a bad engineer?

1. They are the most overpaid people in India.
2. They have no work life balance and they don't even know what it means.
3. They think they are the best at everything, but they can't do anything right.
4. They are always complaining about their job and how much they hate it.
5. They are never satisfied with their salary or benefits package.
6. They are always looking for new jobs because they think they deserve better than what they currently have.

Would you like to add anything else here?

Software Engineers as seen by a Product Manager...

PM as seen by Engineers: 
 1. Doesn't do anything other than throwing random jargons 
 2. Can't explain what they do other than say how they are not Program manager or something else

Hi everyone. 
I am new to this platform. I'm a Front-end engineer with 1 yoe  and currently looking for an entry level opportunity.

Please connect me if you know any opportunity.
Thanks

Software engineer (1 yoe)

I am an engineer, what I enjoy is solving technically challenging problems. I don't really want to spend my time bothering with non-code solutions to your business problem, and I don't care how much money my code makes you. Just have a tech lead give me a challenging tech problem to solve or build for(WITH the necessary requirements) and I'll get it done. Simple. 


Personally I'm saddened to see how chasing impact has taken over all good tech companies, and how you basically HAVE to create value and take ownership in other ways if you want to be SDE-3 or higher. I would rather be a more technically competent, deliverer SDE (think someone who's extremely good at being an SDE-1). Climbing the SDE ladder is boring.

Any other engineers find it boring and frustrating to chase impact?

To be fair, companies are paying you to earn money, not solve tech 
  
 You have to find things to simplify and innovate in that impact only

I have been getting a feeling that software engineers (SEs) have a sense of entitlement, believing they deserve a salary of 50-60 LPA with 2-3 years of experience and a 30-40% raise every year. As an SE myself, I believe this sense of entitlement leads to unrealistic expectations in the workplace and hampers actual output. Past nine months have been brutal, with mass layoffs and minimal or no increments. Due to this I have noticed people putting minimal effort into their work. I understand that getting no appraisal can be demotivating(trust me I do) but considering what we are paid for what we do is just insane(I am comparing with other industries).
With funding becoming scarce, many companies are no longer burning through cash. Most Indian companies will prioritize profitability to secure further funding rounds or pursue an IPO. Since engineering teams account for a significant portion of expenditures, everyone will be looking to cut costs by any means necessary.
What are your thoughts on this situation? Do you still give your 100% even if you didn't receive a raise but are being well compensated?"

Rant on entitlement of Software Engineers

Data engineer

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Hi Grapeviners,
I have 1.5 years experience on manual testing,jira ticket management. I have learnt adv java, spring boot, MySQL,mongodb, javascript, reactjs and microservices. I have developed online shopping web application project.
Can anyone pls suggest how to start applying for jobs and giving interviews.

Software Engineer role

Here’s my story in the field of software engineering: There’s this colleague of mine who is on a pure tech role but hardly codes. The person spends his entire time on LinkedIn sharing new age tech stuff and projects himself to the world as if he is the Messiah of architecture. The guy preaches the same gyan to members of my team. For the last one year, this guy, in the capacity of Software Architect has not pushed a single line of code into our application source code and this is on record. Yet, he is highly regarded as an expert in technology. The guy has killed the careers of some genuine software engineers with his unique approach to make it look like he is taking a lead to own stuff in tech space. The guy has had tremendous career growth, got promoted 3 times in the last 5 years.

In my view, the guy is a tech junkie whose knowledge carries no value. Yet he managed to butter the leadership team to reach to position that he is currently in.

Did you encounter any such people? If yes, comment your story.

What type of corporate villains have you encountered with in your company? Comment your story.

Last 3 years of startups have been all about SaaS. I just don't get it. So far, it was about solving real problems at scale.
First with consumer websites (google etc), then software, then shopping & delivery (amazon swiggy zomato fk etc etc) 

And now, it's all SaaS:
- Imma build a startup to help white businessmen in America do better billing 
- Imma build a 360 degree feedback tool specifically for Norwegian miners 
- Imma build a SaaS software to help HR people note down who isn't dressed properly
- Imma build a software to help hillbillies in the US better manage their trucking company

Like how are smart people in India taking up entrepreneurship to build these ideas that are dull and feel like the end of life? How does anybody become excited by this? 

is it just money? what am I missing?

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