How is there no correlation to layoffs and Real Estate?
We've witnessed so many layoffs in the past year and this continues to be an upward trend. Bangalore is a city of IT professionals and these layoffs seem to have no effect on the real estate. Is this because the numbers are negligent? I don't think that's the case, my company has been laying off people since last year. It was never public. I'm sure there are lots of such companies. What are your thoughts?!
I recently learnt through a newspaper that major service companies have only hired a total of 70-80k freshers. Which used to be a number in lakhs.
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There is a lag effect, give it a few months and you will see rents and prices not increasing anymore
majboormajdoor
Stealth
7 months ago
Because every downturn has an epicenter. Usually it's Real Estate because excesses easily pop up there.
But this downturn started in IT and VC world, so for the quakes to be felt in Realty, you gotta wait more.
Also, if RE is indeed suffering, it is very hard to know for outside people. RE sells in optimisms, so RE players would be creating a fake aura of super sales and huge demand, sold out units, ads in TV, banners etc. Most of these might be a lie.
Qwerty2398
Stealth
7 months ago
Real estate is black money sink. And secondly most people buy Re estate after 7/8 of exp. They Are well funded. The number of people distress selling thier property is small, if not it would have made news.
Sobha which is claims each flat is 2 cr plus look at their last quarter PAT meare 15 cr lol..
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Dont forget that old money bangalore ( that includes the reddy bros + mallu bros + gowdas/plantations bros) are keenly watching the real estate markets like hawks. They are always in standby to pick up real estate whenever an opportunity arises keeping the prices firm.
I agree, but these people are the ones who are selling, we are the consumers. If we can't afford to pay them, the prices should come down.
Pixeldynamic
Stealth
7 months ago
Will you leave Bangalore if it becomes too much unaffordable? Nobody leaves Mumbai, New York, California due to that reason
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Brutallyhonest
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7 months ago
Our IT(laid off) makes only 0.01% of market. RE is resilient to minor changes, RE have stood Corona times. Layoffs are nothing for RE market
0.01% of the overall market, maybe yes. But in Bangalore that may not be true, IT makes up a large chunk of the city's economy.
Bumpy_Stock
Stealth
7 months ago
That 0.01% is the main TG and the one who is not laid off will hold their money due to fear of getting laid off.
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steppenwolf
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7 months ago
RE suffers when the overall economy suffers. Just layoffs in tech companies cannot be a reason for the crack in RE Space.
This is most definitely the case for any other city. But in cities like Bangalore, layoffs can be a deal-breaker. San Francisco RE has taken a big hit due to layoffs.
Wow, do you have some numbers. During peak lockdown a SF house was 1.3million, and at peak went down to 3 million. It might be 2.5 million today. The ones who bought at 1.3 million at 2% interest rate aren't selling to buy another at 7% interest rate.
Real estate is hit last, because builders have already got their money they have expenses occured for, first there will be defaults on loan, monthly purchases will go down, there will be supply more than demand, builders will try to sail through this, since they have least amount of money contributed by them.
In short it will need huge number of defaults, large number of months will dull in sale and huugggeee number of flats in market for sale.
Fallenangel86
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7 months ago
I am in bengaluru since 2008 and have seen Bengaluru during 2008 Global financial meltdown and feel equipped to answer here. Bengaluru real estate never went down even during GFM of 2008. Today's layoffs haven't reached even a qtr of 2008 so I don't think this will impact RE any soon. I stay in Whitefield 2kms from ITPL and my entire road is filled with constructions and big builder projects selling as high as 11k-12k psft. I don't see that coming down any time sooner. So if anyone is thinking that layoffs gonna take down RE and will be able to buy property then, living in a bubble I would say then
I'm not talking about a crash, just hoping there would be some correction in the prices, considering the sudden surge after the Covid.
Fallenangel86
Stealth
7 months ago
Not sure. Like if I have invested in a property in ITPL at 7k psft and I know it's 11kpsft now even if it goes to 9k psft tom I won't sell since I know that's temporary and it will come back to 11k psft sooner or later. So I will hold it creating artificial scarcity in market not allowing prices to go down unless am selling it at distress. I think a lot of RE in bengaluru is such and hence you will not see prices go down or correct anytime soon, speaking from experience and reference of 2008
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I feel most people have had great returns on MFs and stocks recently. And on top of that I am assuming lot of people would also be using their runway money smartly.
I personally feel the unrealistic prices will still be there till people actually start moving out of Bangalore. My assumption would be people will first give their houses for rent and move to their natives. And then people will also stop renting. And then lot of people defaulting on their loans.
I might be totally wrong. But I think if the current market continues for this year in especially IT and specifically in Bangalore, we will start seeing this effect in 2025 something.
Again, all of this is just my assumption without much research
Yeah probably another year before we start seeing the effect of this on RE.
Most of them are probably using their severance pay/ emergency funds. If the trend continues there's definitely a crisis.
GlassSkin63
Stealth
7 months ago
RE isn't suffering because due to covid, new project delivery and launches have slowed down a lot. That dried out excess supply. Post covid due to the rate hikes developers aren't able to raise capital for new launches. All these mean the actual stock/inventory is at very healthy levels especially in Bangalore. What is still at unhealthy levels is commercial real estate where several companies have either not upgraded their office space or reduced the space or closed down offices altogether. Thanks to that several active constructions are on hold. On the other hand due to low stock you can see every tom dick and Harry building on empty plots or old houses in areas with demand.
If you are talking about rent, there will be lag effect. Many owners will hold out for 6-9 months instead of lowering rent.
If you are talking about buying/selling,
1. Real estate is the last place which will get liquidated in Indian families. It is seen as an investment for future generations.
2. If you don’t have loan, there is low cash outflow . Even if you don’t pay society maintenance, it is very difficult for a society to take any legal action beyond charging interest .
3. Builders will not show price drop in ads but will be open for negotiations. In Outskirts of Mumbai , I recently saw someone bargain almost 15% off for a property (of course it was adjusted to show less discount . For example, free parking, no floor rise, first 2 year maintenance free , free modular kitchen etc.)
there wouldn't be an impact because there are so many bachelor's living in PG, waiting to live a luxurious gated community life by sharing the rent, this brings more hope for everyone who has enough wealth accumulated to purchase them and rent it out
The current projects are old inventory .
New launches would be slow based on reduced demand being seen now.That is where u see correlation
But price decrease not happening for current unsold inventory because real estate companies just do not like to reduce prices unless of a very bad economic situation . The black money rotation gives the price levels some support
I do see some tapering on rents compared to last year because the layoffs will force people to go back to cheaper accomodations and cities. I do agree that given the amount of black money that exists in RE, you may see a small drop in rate of growth. The economic cycles will correct in a year or more and that is when people will go into a debt driven house buying spree again
Demon
Stealth
7 months ago
Real Estate has been designed to keep the prices high using the jack of black money.
Lot of black money has been sunk into real estate. They will suffer a loss of a few crores than to have a overall breakdown of real estate prices where they lose 100s of crores.
Net net, they don't care if there property sells unless it sells at the price they want. Black money has not been taken as a loan or fund and so there is no hurry to repay, they have just one priority: making money. Supply demand works for businesses that have to make a tradeoff between the profit they get vs interest/OC they pay, so is useless in case of black money.
The market did not crash in 2008 when everyone were leveraged to the neck, it did not after demonetization when every transaction had to be tracked online. The time correction of prices since 2016 was tracked by youtubers saying rent as a better option. They made money, did you?
I am tracking the rental market in old bangalore were the prices are stable with good quality of living. The amount of demand and rental increases since 1 year is unbelievable. There is no way for the rents to come down and with that the prices. Layoffs are happening only in startups. The PIPs in MNCs were a common occurrence every year.
mistral
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7 months ago
Only thing which can dent not crash is a second airport like gewar 50kms from south bangalore
More than airport a satelite township like gift city with connectivy to blr but yeah that Gujarat and this is Karnataka.. looking at ecity i dnt think it gonna happen sadly