ZippyMochi
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8mo ago
GroovyWaffle
GroovyWaffle

Middle class is not determined by income alone. But so called intellectuals tend to deliberately misunderstand it to make a non existent point.

This is a good explainer: https://www.thediff.co/archive/cars-manufacture-the-modern-middle/

Broadly, the class of people with certain economic stability and security and yet vulnerable to economic shocks and externalities. That’s the demarcation between rich and middle class. Whoever ignores it is kind of making a fool out of you

ZippyMochi
ZippyMochi

Your explainer is a history lesson, not much of an explainer. Even those who have cars in India are vulnerable to economic shocks, car ownership itself being limited to less than 10% of India.

You're the one who made a non existent point lol.

ZestyPenguin
ZestyPenguin
Student8mo

Anybody using "so called intellectuals" to refer to academicians using data is ultimately recycling the same talking points lol

ZippyJellybean
ZippyJellybean

It doesn't only depend on how much you earn but also on how many dependents you have. A person earning 60 lpa might have his parents, a wife and say 3 children which makes per head less than 10 lpa. And don't forget taxes..this person would be giving 12-15 lpa as taxes. So individual disposable income might be high but at ground level he might be just meeting his bills.

ZippyMochi
ZippyMochi

Parents will eventually pass on and kids will grow up too. They also get support from both generations. It's not exactly a one way street for the most part.

ZippyJellybean
ZippyJellybean

Then parents might depend on children. See, thing is we can't look it on that simplistic way. And fyi, there are a lot of people now, who depends on their children. And the circle goes on.

PeppyDonut
PeppyDonut

Bhai agar 60 lakh kamakar bhi ghar afford nhi kar pa rahe ho to rich kaise ho gaye?

FuzzyPancake
FuzzyPancake
PayU8mo

This going to be a inspirational story, from all people having 65LPA not everyone is rich, my friend working in Amazon has 75LPA base 25LPA stocks is not rich because he also support his family his father was a farmer, farming on others land he has been also supporting his two younger sisters education(MBBS from private), he also build a house for his family, 4 year back when he was working for Target with 32LPA base I visited his house his house was with tin shelters not a proper celling, now he have built a good house for his family.

He has removed povey from his family but still don't consider his as rich because he have zero savings and next whenever he get money he wants to buy a car, currently he owns yamha Fz and he bought a scooty for his father, after owning a car he wants to buy a house in BLR this process take 3 more years, so long way have 1ct CTC but still not rich.

ZippyMochi
ZippyMochi

Having a car, bikes and a house is pretty rich for Indian standards. Idk why people keep trying to defend this mentality and idk which India you're living in. I'm sure wherever he is also has many more people who still have tin houses around him in his hometown.

He can easily save when he wants, he's choosing to spend and stay "poor" so to speak. Financially irresponsible if anything, but he has assets he can sell if emergency arises.

FuzzyPancake
FuzzyPancake
PayU8mo

So you mean to say, Car on emi house on emi is pretty rich?

DerpyQuokka
DerpyQuokka

and then people post whether 60 lacs is enough to survive in Bangalore

ZestyPenguin
ZestyPenguin
Student8mo

Not sure if auto sales is a universally applicable metric though, people NEED cars a lot sooner in their careers in the US and other countries where car-centric infrastructure is the norm. Have a friend who bought a car before they bought a washing machine lol, rent is so high and public transport is so shit that they absolutely need it to commute

ZippyMochi
ZippyMochi

That's just one data point. Read the third tweet.

ZestyPenguin
ZestyPenguin
Student8mo

Not trying to refute the larger point being made, I agree with the rest

GoofyRaccoon
GoofyRaccoon
Student3mo

I make 1.4Cr per year without bonus and I find it hard to make desirable savings. A lot is spent on car EMIs, house EMIs, parents wellbeing, alcohol taxes, luxury taxes, GST, SGST and income tax. You may think it's a lot but calculate post tax income and you'll see what daylight robbery this tax regime and inflation is

ZippyMochi
ZippyMochi

Granted, tax and inflation sucks. But you're still not middle class by any measure with that income.

The fact that you can spend on luxury to be able to pay luxury tax in itself is a "luxury" in India.

FloatingBoba
FloatingBoba

This is narrow minded interpretation. For instance, i might conclude India has better urban public transport than most other countries which lead to lower car ownership.

I also believe earning doesn’t contribute to being in a class. Wealth does. Person earning 60 lacs with home loan twice than that can’t call himself rich. He/she is indeed middle class. People like the person in screenshot are often opinionated but doesn’t mean they are factually correct.

ZippyMochi
ZippyMochi

But that loan is something they opted into. Either through bad advice or judgement, they chose to burden themselves with it. Poverty doesn't usually come with a choice, in comparison.

CosmicQuokka
CosmicQuokka

Even someone earning 1 cr annually gets humbled by sarkari chaprasi showing middle finger (figuratively) hence the feeling of not being rich.

In our country rich are the only people with clout/jack, multiple crores of income annually is secondary.

ZippyMochi
ZippyMochi

Ye to alag hi definition ho gaya out of syllabus 😂

ZoomyNugget
ZoomyNugget

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