SwirlyNoodle
SwirlyNoodle

Promoted for loyalty, not skill. How common is this?

So, I’ve been at this IT company in Bangalore for 4 years. I’m not some rockstar dev, but I’ve consistently delivered projects, mentored juniors, and even got client shoutouts. Last month, though, our team lead position opened up. Everyone assumed I’d get it, except my manager. Instead, they promoted Rajesh (name changed), a guy who joined a year after me.

Here’s the kicker: Rajesh is constantly in the boss’s DMs. He agrees with every terrible idea, stays late just to “be seen,” and once literally brought the manager homemade biryani to “build rapport.” Meanwhile, his technical skills are mediocre at best. Our director even said during the announcement: “Rajesh truly embodies our company’s values of loyalty and commitment.”

Questions for Grapeviners -

1.How do you deal with coworkers who prioritize buttering up bosses over actual work?

2.If you’ve quit a job over this, did switching companies help?

3.Is there a way to “play the game” without selling your soul?

TL;DR: Got passed over for a promotion because I focused on work, not flattery. Is this normal in India, or is my company uniquely toxic?

Am I crazy for feeling cheated? I asked HR for feedback, and they said I “lack soft skills” and “need to align better with leadership.” Translation: I didn’t kiss enough a$$.

Now I’m seeing this everywhere:

Teammates skipping meetings to run personal errands for the boss.

Managers promoting people who laugh at their unfunny jokes.

Seniors taking credit for juniors’ work but calling it “team effort.”

Is this just how Indian companies operate? My friends in MNCs say promotions are slightly fairer there, but even they’ve seen favoritism.

Are startups any better? Or is loyalty > skill the unwritten rule everywhere?

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ZestyBurrito
ZestyBurrito

Your HR is right, you lack soft skills and this doesn't translate to kissing anyone's ass. Rather you need to create visibility for yourself. Talk about your work and progress with your managers and stakeholders. It's simple funda jo dikhta hai vhi bikta hai. If people don't know about you and the work you did, you are always going to be passed on for any opportunity.

GigglyDumpling
GigglyDumpling
IBM2mo

Isn't he said everyone expecting him to become team lead.. except manager.
Where does he lack visibility ?

SwirlyNoodle
SwirlyNoodle

Maybe it is true, I need to practice executive presence and optics

JazzyLlama
JazzyLlama

hahaha!! Don't be surprised brother ! Thats Indian work ethics in a nutshell!!

SwirlyNoodle
SwirlyNoodle

How to navigate this ? I am someone who cant lie or doesnt enjoy kissing a%%

DancingDonut
DancingDonut

True True!

DancingDonut
DancingDonut

Answers to your questions:

  1. yes these people are always there

  2. switching only helps until you can get to a place where you find a truly fair boss. Which is a rare creature. All humans have biases

  3. Yes there is a way. Work hard. Have an immaculate presence at work. No need to be too friendly, but be super warm.

Remember people want to work with people they can hang out with. Just be great to hang out with

SwirlyNoodle
SwirlyNoodle

Thank you kind ser

WigglyBanana
WigglyBanana

Bhai this is a story as old as time, it happens, and will continue to happen - especially in old organizations with bosses who have insecurity and barely any balls

My experience:

  • Ignore these people. You should focus on getting into an environment where fewer people like them are HIRED and thrive
  • Playing the game: you should generally be nice to people. To your boss too. You should not agree with them on everything , but you should also not disagree with them on everything (that's never helpful). Pick your battles, keep your points in a positive way, and build rapport that takes your team ahead.

Most likely, in the right environment, people have manageable egos and will listen to you and appreciate you for saying a counter view point.

SwirlyNoodle
SwirlyNoodle

Got it, good advice

DancingDonut
DancingDonut

The best advice on the thread.

ZippyNarwhal
ZippyNarwhal

Here's how I navigated exact same situation (I resigned immediately after being promoted though)

Answers:

1 - Sideline the sideliner (learn to play else you'll be played, harsh but true). My work was always better than the guy who buttered my manager. To counter this I made my self even more visible by looping my manager's manager while I accomplished hard tasks.

2 - This situation can be anywhere, imagine going to a new place and finding the same thing (Few Indian bosses love being buttered so can't help). Start applying again early if you find this.

3 - Yes, I did it. Be extraordinary at work (I got a 5 star rating at work by the same manager who didn't like me), talk less, make yourself visible by your work. Take up complex work and loop people higher up, as I said sideline the sideliners.

Summary : Pick/do work within a team that no one can easily do apart from your BAU - accomplish that - show the business impact - and loop in folks higher up

SwirlyNoodle
SwirlyNoodle

Thank you for taking out time, this is gold

SparklyCoconut
SparklyCoconut

There's actually a kickass way to Deal with this but requires you to have another job offer in hand.

And this is what I would do.

  1. Jot down in detail all my achievements and quantify in terms of metrics you are evaluated on.
  2. Do the same for Rajesh (be truthful and justhere)
  3. Set up a skip level one on one connect on the pretext of career plans. Or maybe with HR instead of skip. (Not sure about the hierarchy in your role).
  4. Begin with the regular BS conversation on feedbacks, criticism etc etc. Then when the tone is set that this is a smooth sailing conversation, bring up the topic of you being overlooked for TL role.
  5. They will give some bulshit reasoning. Patiently listen until they end and give a 10s pause after that. Next pull out the doc you have created and very respectfully say that you do not agree with anything that's been said and present the supporting evidence. Explain it.
  6. Once you are done, highlight that the only difference between you and rajesh was the fact that he bought home made biryani. "If that is what it takes to be highlighted in the team, I would have done that long back. It's just I am not a good cook and you wouldn't like the Biryani I make".
  7. Enjoy the look on his face when he takes offense and obviously he will blurt out some nonsense.
  8. Give your 10s pause once more and pull out your resignation letter and hand it over. "Will mail this as well". Itna bolke conclude with that's all I had.

This is what I would do, most might not agree and may raise good points but considering the end goal was for me to get revenge and put down the manager I would have done a fine job.

SwirlyNoodle
SwirlyNoodle

I do have an offer in hand, since I was frustrated and started applying

GoofyPotato
GoofyPotato

Sad Welcome to the corporate world.

ZoomyBoba
ZoomyBoba

Yes I would say, the company I work for is not MNC nor in tech, but there is a similar incident in my company too, where one of the head doesn't know about anything at all last to last month 3 out of 6 people resigned because he knew nothing but would always take credit for everyones work if it was good. He is from a reputed college and a nice man but not even close to being a nice employee except he keeps our founders a$$ wet all the time.

GoofyKoala
GoofyKoala

have come across the same behavior. Be best friends with him, this is the only solution.

SillyPickle
SillyPickle

It all boils down to trust. You may try to introspect if there is the trust factor missing between your boss and you and what could be the reasons for that.

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