FloatingPanda
FloatingPanda

Rant - People in Tech have lost their mind

People in tech are in over their heads. There’s been an unsustainable inflation in salaries and somehow 20 somethings have actually started believing their skills are worth what they’re making

I speak to so many engineers who just with two years of experience are making 30-40 LPA packages. They actually believe they are better than people in say banking who make the same salary after 15 years of grinding it out.

It’s all supply-demand. Supply will soon catch up to the demand. Salary normalization will happen.

Your salaries may not grow for years if you don’t personally grow as well in skill set and become more valuable overall.

At the least, don’t have an attitude about how much you make. Stay humble. Enjoy the good times while they are still here

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SleepyHamster
SleepyHamster

Techies were highly underpaid

  • barring: 1000-3000 jobs created annually by FAANG which are like 30 -50CTC+, WITCH hired 1,00,000+ techies at 4-8 LPA
  • the latter has corrected because it was already a suppressed market
JazzyBurrito
JazzyBurrito
Google26mo

IT was highly underpaid. Maybe true.

The rest of ‘high tech’ was definitely overpaid

BubblyTaco
BubblyTaco
ANZ26mo

4-8 is way high, it's 2.75 to 4 (HCL does 2.75 and LTIMindtree 4)

SnoozyPotato
SnoozyPotato
AT&T26mo

True. There has been a massive spike in salary ranges post covid and none of it makes sense. I was a hiring manager for a good 4 years and have seen people cognizant of what they are asking and what they bring to the table. Since 2020, I’m seeing so called “Data Scientists” with 2-3 years of exp and knowledge limited to just model.fit() and model.predict() asking for north of 25lpa. And the funny part? They are getting it!

What these younglings don’t know is that the market also takes what it gives. Every bubble bursts and every role has its budget and your exceptionally high salaries will get normalised sooner or later.

Instead of chasing that big fat cheque, focus on your skills. That’ll get you further in life than the paystub of an overvalued startup with limited shelf life.

My take may sound rude, but that is the truth.

SillyKoala
SillyKoala
Dell26mo

So true

PerkyBanana
PerkyBanana
Intuit26mo

What are the skills that people early in their tech career should focus on ?

SqueakyUnicorn
SqueakyUnicorn

I disagree with the overall premise here:

  1. The demand for software outstrips the supply of software engineers by a significant margin & this won't close up, until significant software automation kicks in. Even with the rise of AI tools like ChatGPT, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

  2. Even in banking, there's investment banking and commercial banking & investment bankers always get a significant premium. In terms of salaries, the order will always be:

Investment Banking >= Software Engineering > Commercial Banking

  1. The appropriate value for a salary of an individual is largely decided by market factors.

So if a company deems that the salary of a 25yo software engineer is more than the salary of a 35yo commerical banker than that largely an issue with commerical banking sector underpaying their employees. How is the software engineer at fault here?

SleepyNarwhal
SleepyNarwhal
Google26mo

True. But why do you think software automation is not kicking in(assuming you are in tech)?

I think its pretty much here

SleepyDonut
SleepyDonut
Viewo26mo

Irony and reality is that those who create (like original versions of codes) mostly do it for free and uploads it on open source platforms/ github etc. Rest copies codes/ calls libraries and charges 💣

WigglyPretzel
WigglyPretzel

India got this island of higher pay (IT industry) well before the manufacturing/infra investments happening now. Still the difference was not so great in old days and people made real money only going and slogging on onsite assignments. Then fang became a printing press for dollars and capital dumping from US China happened to any startup with a good story about “next billion consumers”

End of day other than WITCH, India still does not have global brands in manufactured goods that can compete with best - like shoes/clothes italians dominate luxury brands, zara is spain, h&m and ikea swedish, koreans and japanese sell cars and motorbikes, germany sells autos and machine tools… our banks are also global midgets and cost of capital is high.

Only a solid manufacturing and innovative product economy can drive the need for sustainable tech cos in any field internally.

Else it will always be tied to global cos and their policies / currencies / capital allocation.

Need more zeus numerix , newspace, pixxel and astra microwave type cos

WigglyPretzel
WigglyPretzel

Despite decades of hero atlas bsaslr cycles we all use , taiwan is the cycle making superpower. The design sw, machines that drive that no doubt made there only.

One cannot float a ship forever on a hot air baloon

WigglyPretzel
WigglyPretzel

Think catia, ansys, matlab, labview, eda, solidworks type high value licensed sw how many indian cos do we in those? We are wasting our best manpower doing pieces of everything while real control and overall design remains in foreign capitals

JazzyMarshmallow
JazzyMarshmallow
Optum26mo

But the sad part is, even the ones that grinded out for years and climbed up, are also getting the axe.

JazzyBurrito
JazzyBurrito
Google26mo

It’s not that sad if you think about it. If the acceleration is too fast and too out of control. The brakes have to be put on at some point

PrancingCoconut
PrancingCoconut
Amazon26mo

That's the rationale. It's still sad for those that got laid off

DizzyMuffin
DizzyMuffin

More layoffs are to come. The market always corrects itself.

JazzyBoba
JazzyBoba
Adobe26mo

This doesn’t make sense. You are comparing apples to oranges. Going by your logic, a banking person with 2 years of experience also should not earn more than a gardener with 15 years of experience, right?

FuzzyDonut
FuzzyDonut

Free markets bro, capitalise and move on. Grinding, being super smart, being are glorified bs when it comes to real world.

Will there be correction? Definitely, but if you are decently smart and know how to play your cards, you’ll be well off

JumpyQuokka
JumpyQuokka

This is perfection. This is what I was looking for in the comments.

ZestyMuffin
ZestyMuffin

A lot of salty boomers here. Tired of these archaic dinosaurs who mope all day because a 20-something year old makes more money.

TwirlyTaco
TwirlyTaco
Gojek26mo

Well said Thala!

SnoozyPotato
SnoozyPotato
AT&T26mo

No one cares about your ctc. Enjoy your inflated paycheck. Just keep in mind it is more of a result of overvalued startups and overinflated budgets trickling down to your pocket. It may be good for now, but the party won’t last forever. You need skills to back it up. You have the skills? Good for you! Else no company is stupid enough to stuff your pockets needlessly just coz you once took a Udemy course to build a webscraper.

GroovySushi
GroovySushi
Wipro26mo

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