JazzyPickle
JazzyPickle

Received an offer from Microsoft

Need help in deciding how can I negotiate on the numbers. Fixed- 32LPA Stocks- 65000 usd over 4 years (13L for first year) Joining- 3L Relocation- 3L

Current TC- 40LPA fixed, 12lpa esops (Fantasy sports company)

Other Offer in hand from a startup (sass b2b) Fixed- 43.5LPA Variable- 4.5LPA Esops- 1Cr over 4 years

10mo ago
SnoozyNarwhal
SnoozyNarwhal

You should go for Microsoft even if it isn't optimal at the moment in terms of cash component. In the long run this will pay off by opening a lot more doors in tier1 and FAANG companies or you might get chance to also move onsite to US where you can earn a lot more. ESOPs have no value until the startups make an exit - where the odds are highly against you. Probability would be less than 1%. I've worked with multiple startups and learnt this the hard way. Also as you move up the levels, it gets increasingly more competitive to get into tier1 companies. So get into it while you can.. and think of long term than short term salary deficit. It will pay off..

JazzyPenguin
JazzyPenguin

Same here. I have been in startups where the org would not honour your esops, or have some or the other issue. On the other hand MSFT being a public company you have that advantage.

Moreover, unless the startup is in high growth stage, then you could consider

BouncyPancake
BouncyPancake

How was the interview process? Leetcode? How did you prepared for it

JazzyPickle
JazzyPickle

On and off leetcode to stay in touch. Interview- had 1 codility test and 3 interviews(DSA, LLD, HLD) along with 1 AA round(Hiring manager)

FuzzyDonut
FuzzyDonut

How many yoe?

CosmicDumpling
CosmicDumpling

Microsoft won’t negotiate.

FuzzyNarwhal
FuzzyNarwhal
Wipro10mo

Can any one explain this salary structure. I am kinda new to IT.

JumpyTaco
JumpyTaco

Fixed = Actual Cash company paid you before tax Variable = Cash Company will pay basis your performance and company’s performance ESOP = Stock Options so that you can sell stocks to make money

SqueakyWalrus
SqueakyWalrus
Student10mo

Bhai harness me ref krva skta h kya?

JazzyPickle
JazzyPickle

Haan

SqueakyWalrus
SqueakyWalrus
Student10mo

But oh boi you've 19 grapes how you gonna get my DM?

JazzyPickle
JazzyPickle

Microsoft offered L61 at 4 yoe

DerpyCupcake
DerpyCupcake
Cisco10mo

Based on regulations on fantasy sports, you can’t be really sure of job security. However, 8lpa cut is just too step. Tell the recruiter of Microsoft to meet in middle or at least settle for 35fixed.

Your Joining bonus and relocation will help a lot to push numbers in your favour, consider that how much will you get in Microsoft in 4years. Compare that number against current job and startup.

ESOPs in startup is worthless only,mostly you won’t stick around that long.

  1. Negotiate in microsoft if you plan to stay for 4 years.
  2. Else switch into startup for 2years and then go to FAANG for stability.
SwirlyMarshmallow
SwirlyMarshmallow
Student10mo

If you don't mind can you share your interview experience and is it for swe 2 or 3

WobblyDumpling
WobblyDumpling
Amazon10mo

As already mentioned in another comment it's L61. In Microsoft that maps to sde2 (L59 and L60 are SDE1)

FloatingPickle
FloatingPickle
IBM10mo

@CouchPotato how much does a first line Engineering Manager make at Amazon?
Any range or ball park number? Also is the manager also coding/ hands-on along side the Dev team? Some insights pls..

PrancingKoala
PrancingKoala

How much time did it take for preparation? Can you share your current company or hint atleast?

JazzyPickle
JazzyPickle

I have gone through the standard problems once. It took around 2 months along with office and lot of dedication, skipped office parties, utilising weekends rather than enjoying them. It seems a lot but reward vs cost ratio is really good

PerkyBanana
PerkyBanana
Google10mo

Go for startup meri jaaan 😉 Your YOE is 4 mean you are under 30s
For now you might not need wlf
Go with startup build something great 😊 you will always proud of your self
Otherwise you can go for MS if you need chill life

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