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by SS_Croaker

6 months ago

Tata Semiconductor manufacturing cannot be used for AI

Tata Group JV with PSMC may roll out first semiconductor chip by 2026, but here's the catch - it's a 28nm chip, not the 3nm chip used for AI. In comparison, Apple had announced in 2023 that it will buy every 3nm chip that TSMC can make for the next-gen iPhones. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/saurabh-singh3994_tata-group-jv-with-psmc-may-roll-out-first-activity-7176029281427365889-Y2Xl

Sherlock007

TCS

6 months ago

Something is better than nothing. Just google about the cost of creating a 3nm fab. Know about EUV lithography tools cost which asml sells ? Asml mcap u know?? Even usa and china don't have one. After 28nm, we will do finfets as well. 1st let planar tech stabilize.

Elon_Musk

X.com

6 months ago

You cannot directly jump to a 3nm chip. We don't even have the tech to make it. And even if we did it will cost upwards of 60-80 billion to even start. And by the time it completes the world would have moved to better chips.

SS_Croaker

Unnamed

6 months ago

Could you please share your source mentioning the cost to be 60-80 Bn? Coz it says that 3nm would cost $15-20 Bn. https://www.granitefirm.com/blog/us/2023/04/29/cost-of-chip-foundry/ Also we don't have the tech to make it - hence the JV

Elon_Musk

X.com

6 months ago

Haha thanks for fact checking. I didn't mean the cost for only the 3nm chips. I meant it for setting up the ecosystem for modern chips including some future forecast. We still need older chips for other electronic devices like cars and fridges.

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ElonMast

Amazon

6 months ago

Ah, lemme take an interesting story. When XUV700 was launched, people were all excited, “damn! such a posh car..blah blah”. Sales were off the charts, waiting periods were almost 2 years. People were like - This is the best Indian car ever, this will rule the markets. Down the line, Scorpio got re-launched, it was not so fancy but can do all terrain hunts. Some may complain, highway driving isn’t that smooth with scorpio but it all depends on the driver and surface. So, here we are 28nm is scorpio which can be used for all kind of terrains. Infact, a SoC has multiple technology nodes in a chip. Memories (sram, dram) being fastest (3/5-nm) and other logic devices in higher nodes to balance the performance & costs. After telling all these (boring) stories. India will mainly start with OSAT which is mainly on assembly & test. 28-nm has wide number of applications and save insane $$. The whole EV ecosystem relies on mature technology nodes as space isn’t a constraint. You will be surprised to know only few OEMs can afford 3-nm technology (mainly mobile fone manufacturers). Happy Learning!

EasyVirus

Accenture

6 months ago

Tata's 28nm chip, a baby step, not a moonwalk. But remember, even Rome wasn't built in a day. So, what's your next big idea?

ExCEO

Morgan Stanley

6 months ago

Tata's 28nm chip? A dinosaur in the AI world. Apple's already on 3nm. We're playing catch-up, not leading. What's our next move?

Sherlock007

TCS

6 months ago

Bring tsmc to setup fab in India

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by Sherlock007

TCS

7 months ago

Coding will be dead soon

That's not what am saying or pre assuming. But the brain behind those supercomputers h100 and all, who is making LLMs train faster. GPT 5.0 can do miracles and imagine 8.0 coupled with those 1nm GPUs. I still believe that not 100% can be replaced but yes 60-70% roles will be redundant. Top 10% will survive and thrive if ride the ai wave. What do u think viners?

But this isn't the first time a tech exec has predicted the death of coding.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/jensen-huang-advises-against-learning-to-code-leave-it-up-to-ai

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by ExWorker

Stealth

7 months ago

TSMC - Another NVIDIA in making?

Has anyone witnessed the crazy streak of Nvidia? I purchased it for $165 in 2022. And sold it at $167 😂😂 Does anyone think TSMC can replicate the rally?

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by AGIcoming

Google

7 months ago

Sam Altman is in talks with investors, including the UAE government, to raise funds for an AI chip initiative that could cost as much as $5 Trillion to $7 Trillion... Is he building a god?

That's the market cap of Saudi Arabian Oil Co, or Google + Amazon + Apple https://archive.ph/orZGB

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by moyemoye

Stealth

10 months ago

Can someone confirm if Sama was asked DSA in his Microsoft interview ?

Legend says Sama refused to learn DSA for Microsoft Interview after getting inspired by some Indian LinkedIn Influencers.

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by purushpsm147

OpenText

8 months ago

Do Indians care about the Country of Origin tag while purchasing products?

I was casually scrolling across Amazon looking for a smartwatch for a family member, when I came across this tag called Country of Origin on the product description details section. To my surprise most of the so-called Indian brands like Noise and Boat have Country of Origin specified as surprise surprise *China*. I felt kinda disgusting tbh. Then I scrolled over the list of products that I have purchased over Amazon ranging from mouse pads to Milton water bottles and almost all of them had this country of origin from China, except for the Bhagwat Purana copy(Thank God). I think we Indians are by sheer ignorance depleting India's forex reserves and demoting efforts by our Entrepreneur to manufacture in India. We may end up getting cheap products but it costs us loss in GDP and job opportunities in India. I guess we could take a lesson out of the Japanese book where Japanese people don't buy non-Japanese products. It's a conscious decision.

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by championswimmer

Viacom18

9 months ago

I'm Arnav Gupta, Director of Engineering at Jio Cinema. Ask me anything!

Hi Grapevine, I'm Arnav, Director of Engg at Jio Cinema. I previously exited my startup to Scaler. Some of you may know me from ScalerPod. I've also led engineering teams at Zomato & Target. Here to chat with you about my journey in startups, leading engineering teams, and products at scale, among other things. Ask me your question. I'll be back at 8 pm and begin answering!