Seeing both kind of orgs where the requirement for a particular level/designation are starkly different. While looking for the next move it’s becoming difficult to understand if it’s better to take...

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Seeing both kind of orgs where the requirement for a particular level/designation are starkly different. While looking for the next move it’s becoming difficult to understand if it’s better to take a lower grade at a bigger org at similar pay or should not compromise on designation as it will also determine your next step. Anyone else observed the same?

Designation vs organization

Product Manager

Designation vs organization- Grapevine

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Designation vs Organization

Are there folks on the vine who have experienced previous down cycles?
Financial crisis of 08-09 or the funding winter in 16-17?

What would you suggest someone who has been laid off on how to navigate career trajectories given the uncertainities ahead. Many folks would have planned their career paths but due to the change in situations all of this has gone for a toss. 

Should people settle for lower pays or lower designations? How does it impact the trajectory ahead

Other folks who have read about this or discussed this with others do pour in your thoughts

Guidance on navigating down cycles

Software Developer

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How the current SDE1 and SDE2 will get accomodated in IT industry in future. Hear me out. Currently lets say there is a team of 10 members in one of the IT company. Lets say 4 are sde1, 4 are sde2, 1 is sde3, 1 is teamLead. Now in future since higher positions are very less, how these 4 sde1 and 4 sde2 will get accomodated. In past years, for those who are currently at manager+ positions, when they were sde1/sde2, at that time number was low, so they got accomodated easily in growing IT demand. But now it seems there are already too many IT companies, seems very low probability that count of IT employees in total of India will even increase by 10-20% in next 5 years. Every year lakhs of IT engineers are also getting graduated. They can get that sde1 positions, but what about current sde1 and sde2 ? Do we need to find another career ?

Whoever comments, please explain in detail your thoughts. Need some discussions to decide future career path.

Future of Software Devs

Hey, 

I am a SWE with 2 yrs exp. recently I found out that juniors in my team are being paid atleast 10% more than me. This thing has been bugging me so much that I setup a meeting with my manager but here’s the thing- I have no idea how to talk about this to my manager. I obviously think it’s unfair given how much more work I am doing. 
Can experienced people here please guide me on how to approach this meeting?

Thanks!

Junior coworker getting paid more than me.

Just break the ice. Start by, “ Hi…. Sorry for the unplanned meeting but I want to talk about my compensation.”

UX/UI Designer

Software Engineer

I am a Product Designer at an Edtech Startup (raising 20m Series B soon) with almost a year (1) of full time experience but overall almost 3 (including internships) at some great companies.

As I am looking for a change what salary should I expect? Considering:-

- I have a design degree from a Non-IIT/Non-NID Tier 1 University (known for good engineers) [so good foundation hopefully]
- The companies I have interned at range from Japanese MNC/Conglomerate, Indian Fashion focused E-Commerce Giant, Indian Food Tech/Delivery Giant & an Indian Digital Transformation Giant.
- The average stipend I earned at these companies was around 40K/month.
- The salary I earn right now every month is between 70 - 90K
- I believe I have Got good Product focused UX knowledge. [Part of the Product team not a seperate Design Team]
- Not another Figma/Framer drooling Designer.
- Many of my peers from my alma mater are placed in Big Tech or Desi Giants owned by Foreign Giants

So what salary should I be expecting? (Keeping aside the ESOP/RSU part)
Is ~ 1.25L/month in hand is right ask?

Please suggest.

How much Salary to expect? [INDIA] 🇮🇳

Product Designer

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Which offer is better and why? 

Pune:
CTC: 20+ variable(no clarity on variable)
Company: Startup with 1 year hike cycle (bare minimum hike)
Company Size: More than 120
Reporting to: Business Head
Role: Core BD with slightly overlap of cross functional 
Stability: Slightly more than Bangalore one(I would say 1% more since they slightly work as lala company)

Bangalore:
CTC: 22 +12(Esops)
Company: Startup with 6 month hike cycle 
Company Size: Around 30
Reporting to: Founders
Role: Set up and lead the entire Business and cross functional roles(cr.functional offer better learning and growth tooo)
Stability: OK than Pune

Both the company are startups and in terms of stability the Pune one holds higher stability at company level(I would say 1% more than Bangalore) but since its sales roles so I think it doesn't matter. (as per LinkedIn the avg duration of sales folks is 11 month in Pune company)

Which offer is better in terms of growth prospect and considering that you want to move to higher role in the future or may be start again in future ?

Pune Vs Bangalore

Founder

Hi All,

I have 8.5 years of experience. iit + iim (recent 1 year mba ). initially I worked at analytics KPOs , then I worked on my own startup. post that I worked with a b2c startup as a program manager . Worked in growth, analytics , cross functional etc etc 

Then post mba , I am again working at a startup managing a team of business analysts. 

I feel like my career is not really going anywhere. I have become a "generalist" suitable for early stage startups but I do not want to work at startups any more. 

what do I do ? How do I move into bigger companies for better stability OR find a stable suitable startup where I can become a VP (but then a VP of what ? )

Career advice

Program Manager

To the people who've experienced both ends of spectrum, as an new grad, which is better overall?

Startup VS Tech Giants

Hey folks, so I am a 2022 graduate and I'll try to make this short as much as possible:

* I was giving interview at a company for backend dev
* Over the period got promoted from MTS to SMTS with CTC correction from 12.8 to 14.74 at my current company
* Last Friday did the cultural fitment round
* After following up got a call from HR saying they'll update me by this weekend
* However I updated her with the information regarding role change and CTC correction
* Now she asked what'll be your expectations
   * First, she asked whether I could shift with the same CTC, but I was hesitant, she took it as no.
   * I asked what is your range? She said there is no range
   * I told her as per market standard, she said I'll take 30% to herself as of now

So I need help here: 

* what can I tell her? Or should I tell her something before the weekend or not?
* Should I ask her if it'll be senior role as I am a SMTS now?

Also, this is the current salary  range as per Glassdoor of this company:

* Sr. backend: 25
* SDE: 15 + 6

Additional info for my current company:

*  My manager said that my base will be matched with SMTS in April which is 18-24
* Also heard the news that the company will not give appraisal to anyone in April

Got promoted during an interview, what to expect as CTC?

1st issue:

It has been almost 2 years since I joined a company as a fresher. Got the increment twice but still have the same designation.

Planning to switch after the completion of 2 years, will it be a hit point that I worked in a company on the same designation for 2 years??

Should I ask my manager or head to think about changing it?


2nd issue:

I do financial+ market research, data analysis, and working on a product that is yet to launch (I know this product more that anyone, not a developer but did robust improvements in it, gave several solutions for it, can say that I'm unsung Product Analyst here).

Based upon the above task, what should be my designation?

The Designation Donfusion

Analyst

I believe it is extremely difficult to judge exact level of an individual during an interview. It is better to also use past salary as some indication of value to last company. Having said that, the company needs to get to the correct salary range depending on performance in first 6 months. 

Thoughts?

(Controversial Opinion) I think it’s okay to give salaries based on past salaries

Consultant

I joined my current org right out of college and have been working here for 2+ years. I really like the company’s culture, openness while pay is also great as per my standards and needs.

I recently interviewed for a startup casually and got an offer as well. Now I’m in a dilemma whether I should join the new org or stay although the pay jump looks pretty decent to me. 

P.S. Not a brag post but genuinely looking for answers as I’m really out of touch with the industry and given the current recession, can’t really make up my mind.

Current TC.- 20
Offered - 26 + variable

Should I switch if I really like my current org?

I'm working as a Frontend developer (SDE-1) with 1.5yoe, I joined this startup 4 months back. Earlier I was getting paid 9lpa and later I was offered 12lpa without even asking for my previous compensation. I accepted because my earlier organisation was very toxic. Now coming to the point, 

I came to know that for the same level and same role they're paying 16+lpa. And this is making me mad at them. 

Within 3 months I'm handling 1 of their 2 products (customer facing) all alone. And I'm doing great work tbh (not boasting) but if they have 10 major features. I have developed 4 of them all alone, solved really critical down time bugs and improved the product. 

Now I own this product and if any bugs come, I'm the person who's assigned the work.

I want to have a chat with the Founder but I'm not sure what to say and he's a guy who will try to save the money at all costs. 

I'm really mad at this point of time and I'm planning to leave in a few months. 

If I have a chat with him and he says something harsh, I will resign then and there I'm triggered to this level. 

And there was no kind of appreciation from them, I'm taking most tickets during the sprints and delivering quality code, communicating well and thinking in terms of product, if there is anything which can be improved I ask from them.

How do I have a chat with him and what do I say?
Current CTC - 12lpa
Expected CTC - 16 - 20lpa
YOE- 1.5 (planning to have the call around 3-4 months later), so I will be almost 2 yoe by then.

Pay disparity in my startup.

You are being paid 75% of what others are being paid at the same level. 
  
 Reduce your inputs by 75% to achieve fair parity (no. of tickets or work hours or whatever). 
  
 Use the saved time to prepare for your job switch.

Hi Grapevine,

I am currently applying to Enterprise / SaaS organisations in Bengaluru and getting confused when trying to benchmark my level against different companies as they all use different employee leveling scales.

This is getting to be an issue as the salary range is generally benchmarked to the level of the open position and I'm unable to reply confidently to the recruiters on my salary expectations.

My most recent position was as a Senior Lead UX Designer in an IT Services company.

I was leading teams of 3-5 UX and UI designers for end-to-end design engagements and my clients were large MNCs including a fortune 50 pharma giant. I was also involved in training and evaluating associate designers and expected to contribute to design proposals for potential clients.

Any advice or pointers on how you figured out your own experience and employee level accurately would be really appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

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YOE: 5
TC: 21.5L

What is my Designer Level?

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currently I work in an ai consulting company (<40 folks) with 20+ lpa salary.
recently I got an offer from a big mnc bank for around 15% hike on my total ctc.
I informed my current org yesterday and they have countered me with a 20% hike now. 
I am confused on what to choose.
ps: I have ~5 yoe.

not sure what offer to take

Data Scientist

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MD & CEO
Executive Director 
CTO
TECH HEAD
AGM
Chief Manager 2
CM1
Manager2
M1
Management Trainee
Deputy Manager 2
DM1

This info may be useful for comparing grades when considering joining a new company.

Let's discuss the hierarchical structure or grade levels or positions in your company.

Application Analyst

I am currently a SDE-2 at a US based product company (Forte: Payments). I interviewed with Google and after all the rounds the HR called and told that I will be offered L3 only. 

The compensation will be basic Google L3 only but I am not comfortable with getting downleveled. I was expecting to get in at L4.

The review from interview rounds is positive. Should I go ahead with the team matching process and try to convince the hiring manager to give L4 / settle with L3 / leave the opportunity.

pls suggest.

Offer advice required

Money is everything?

Isro pays 60k-95k to fresher engineers... Still IITians are not joining.

Slogging for Western Mnc is the only desire of IITians?

Comments and solutions??

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/story/iitians-not-joining-isro-60-students-walked-out-of-recruitment-drive-after-seeing-pay-structure-s-somanath-401614-2023-10-11

IITians not ready to work at ISRO at 5digit monthly salary.

Everything is so expensive right now. Is it wrong to think about financial stability.

Senior Consultant

I recently interviewed at an MNC and my interviews went great. They also gave a case study.
At the time of final negotiation for salary, i asked for standard 40-45% hike. However they took some time and came back with an offer of almost 95%-100% and literally more than that if i include yearly fixed bonus component.

This was a big surprise to me, and they states that we have done this taking care of pay parity, etc.

I am very happy, 
However, i want to know is this common or happened with anyone else?
Are there such good companies, people and HRs...

Anyone having any thoughts on this?

Has this happened with anyone where you are offered more salary than what you asked for?

Equity Research

I am a bit confused but can anyone tell me what do people with hi-fi Designations do. Like I have heard people work on the role of Product manager, Projet manager, solutions architect, operations manager. No offense though but all I see them is doing either meetings or speaking mumbo jumbo to clients. 
Like what value do they add???
Just curious as for the first time I will be joining a company with ppl having such tags so wanted to know for which takes can I seek their help.

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