Got to know about -15% decrease in salary for employees. While in their peak time they never gave such raise.

Software Test - QA

They didn't came office 5 days a week. That's the only reason

DevOps Engineer

Systems Engineer

These mfs only condemn and do nothing 🤣

It’s all a game of population. In India, the supply is so high and demand low that people are willing to work at rates unimaginable. Cannot blame them too as everyone needs to lookout for themselves.  
  
 Having laws and implementing laws are two different things. Even if there were certain laws made for Indian white-collar jobs - which person will be willing to spend their time in court when we all know whats the state of them here!

Senior Designer

I feel there's  need of employee union to raise our voice against these mfs capitalist companies. Europe atleast have minimum wage and minimum working hours fixed. Here we have to fight for bare mi...

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I feel there's  need of employee union to raise our voice against these mfs capitalist companies. Europe atleast have minimum wage and minimum working hours fixed. Here we have to fight for bare minimum wage increment also. Laut aao Karl Marx 😭✊🏻
Hint: PCS ne 1.2% increment diya 🥲 and they did decrement in double digits for some employees 🤬

Employee Union 🤔

Employee Union 🤔- Grapevine

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So i was actually wondering why there are no association for engineers similar to the auto people. Like employee unions also. If there any layoffs, the association come in and do protests against the companies like auto people doing against the government . Any thoughts on this?

Association for Software Engineers

Software Engineer

It's infuriating how everyone's advice to deal with layoffs is side hustles, wasting your life away to constantly upskill and reducing spending. Basically everyone here is saying "live life like shit to appease your corporate overlords" as if layoffs are OUR fault?

Instead, why aren't we seeing any advice on the lines of:

Build expertise in something while you're an employee and later start your own company/business/consultation on the basis of it. This will increase competition within businesses and will force them to treat their employees like humans. This was kind of the reason why things were generally good for employees from 2021-22 because all the startups popping up increased competition for labour.

Or if your employer lays a bunch of people off and starts giving the rest of you their workload, simply refuse! Don't work extra long or extra hard. Get the employees together collectively and make everyone, or at least the majority refuse to entertain these outlandish demands from your employers. What are they gonna do? Fire you all and lose their business? And if that's not going to work, just do everything very poorly and if you're asked about it, just cite that there is a lack of manpower needed to get quality results.

Basically, why have we collectively decided to take the short end of the stick and make our lives miserable when we should instead force employers to face consequences of THEIR OWN poor strategic planning? Why aren't we even discussing ideas for, let alone working on protecting our own best interests rather than interests of those who are screwing us over?

[Layoffs] Why have we just collectively decided to suck it up rather than retaliate?

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Came to know of a case where HR tried to quash a serious POSH complaint. Tried to blame the victim instead of handling the case properly.

Victim was forced to file police complaint, even then HR was just looking for reasons to fire so they just quit.

Perpetrator wasn't even someone very senior or important to the company, yet company tried to protect them for no good reason and downplay the complaint even though there was a witness. 

Sad state of affairs, really might want to look into creating unions or something.

POSH unenforced by HR

Product Owner

I am so frustrated by observing how some Indian startup founders have been mistreating employees. This is happening literally in all the startups and corporates.

Many of us invest their precious time and money obtaining degrees, only to become corporate employees.

India won the WC on Saturday night, and since then, I have seen numerous rant posts from people complaining that they missed this moment because they were overworked.

The rate of employee exploitation is alarmingly high, as founders often believe they have alot of options and are driven by their greed for money.

Look at the plight of startups, the top management says they do not have money so they lay off the whole departments without any prior notice. Yet they spend so lavishly on showing investors or on their socials how cool they all are.

We are bloody engineers, not their family bound slaves.
Why do we suffer ? 

I believe it is high time that we establish a union for employees working in the IT industry.
This exploitative culture needs to come to an end.

A Union of-by-for White Collar Employees

Product Manager

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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/narendra-modi-narayan-murthy-70-hour-work-week-advice-sajjan-jindal-101698466218610-amp.html

Modi works 14-16 hrs daily: Sajjan Jindal

Actuarial Associate

The company did around 10-15% silent layoffs in the last cycle by putting people in PIP. 
My Manager told me that he has pressure on him to put at least 1 or 2 people in PIP, make them leave the company and reduce costs.

Later, the company did as low an appraisal as 2%.

Senior folks are leaving specifically Frontend Developers.

Salaries of a lot of SDE-2 are below 30 LPA.

They have started new positions called Product Developers which will do the same work as SDEs but with a lesser package. PD-1 salary is around 10-12 lakhs and of Lead PD is 20-22 lakhs.

The company is putting itself in a position where it wants people to leave on their own.

There are almost zero perks in the company. 
The team outing budget is a joke which is 2k INR per person per year. That is 500 rupees per person per quarter. 

Also making office mandatory from November.

Razorpay is too smart!

Good thing. Anyways their frontend devs and PMs were doing everything on Twitter except tech.

Software Developer

With all the things going around including companies taking employees for a ride, why do you think officials in governing bodies are not solving for labour laws slightly even in favour of employees? 🧐
How can private folks help or influence officials to change the labour laws. 🤔

Until then we will always see folks feeling cheated by their companies, big or small. 😥🫣

Indian labor system & laws

Private Equity

As we're all seeing the levels of injustice in the workplaces all accross the country, with useless laws and BS working hours limits. I think we need more and more labour unions fighting these injustices. How do you think this can come to fruition?

We need more Labour Unions in India.

I geniually want to understand why we are behind in manufacturing ? Although I'm from commerce background but I would love to know how does one start manufacturing business in India ?

What type of engineers you need ? Honestly I don't have any clue but if any has some information pls discuss here.

Why is Indian manufacturing so behind compared to China ?

Autocracy vs democracy. China got to manipulate its currency for two decades at a stretch - got it pegged at 6 remnibi to usd keeping exports cheap, influenced/lobbies/spied at the highest levels in the US government for decades (look up Larry Wu Tai). This meant unbelievably high USD inflow into China for decades. Chinese nationals who emigrate to US are loyal to China, steal IPs, some are even PLA trained - look up PLA members posing as students in ivy leagues. China pays up American profs to work for them (look up collaborations of Wuhan institute of virology). Their communist background helped since most American institutions are infiltrated by communists thanks to Russia paving the way - so much that they got US to dethrone ROC (Taiwan) from UNSC. Till today, US does not recognise Taiwan as an independent nation despite the grandstanding. Not saying this is all wrong, but they played geopolitics very well over decades and got loyal, nationalistic citizens.

Support Specialist

I quit my last company in Dec 2023 due to some reasons. I was not aware the market would be this bad. Basically in a nutshell I have at least given interviews in 10-15 companies till now, cleared most of theirs all rounds, but for some reason or other they didn’t release an offer. some feedback includes, why do you want to join us with such less hike, you would leave us in few months. One said they are not able to get final sign off from their lord in US. And mostly others just stopped responding. ATM I don’t understand anything, emergency funds getting over, and realised all the network I made till now in my career and whom I helped are of no use. I know I wont get any clear advice here also, but just venting out. I am on the brink of just quitting everything of this corporate drama and start prepping for govt exam, or start a small biz in my town

Unemployed since 3 months

Frontend Engineer

Peak Bengaluru

The guy who took the pic is also working on laptop (see reflection) 😂

Quant Trader

It’s disheartening to see 1000s of people being laid off in recent times. Most of them have a family to feed and EMIs / bills to pay.

Today it’s them and tomorrow it could be Me and You as well. 

And it’s pretty much clear that these new age companies are not empathetic and would go to any extent to meet their goals.

Why isn’t any employee doing anything about these atrocities? 

Following are the few ways to send out a strong message to these employers for abusing / blackmailing / and forcing resignations and PIPs (share more in comments)

1. Boycott their products / Services - make a noise about it on social media.

2. Stop subscribing to their IPOs or start dumping their stocks.

3. Uninstall their apps.

Time For a Revolution

Analytics Manager

After the unfortunate death of the EY CA, the whole country is talking about how work life balance should be prioritised but will we ever do it?

There is no solidarity among corporate workers. The people in the top posts of the hierarchy will always try to suck the life out of their juniors. Everyone is compared based on the package they get, the project they work on or the awards they receive. Do you really expect a “union” from these people? A junior employee can never stand up for himself as the reply from the senior will always be - There are many others who can take this up just quit the job.

Labor law is a total shit show in our great country. Leadership is focused on just three things - Division based on religion, reservation and freebies. We say India is one of the strongest economies but the dark reality here is the government begs the companies to set up their base here in return of “labourers” who can slog all day like robots. These labourers are replaceable at any moment of time and paid peanuts. Now think of this - No work life balance, shitty pay but the highest taxes. 

The sad reality is that there is not a single person who can or will stand for us corporate majdoors. Youngsters are having various health issues like weight gain, BP, Diabetes and hair loss but who cares right? This is how it is. Keep slogging to get to the top and repeat the same with your juniors.

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