Only INSEAD & LBS are worth the risk/reward for your situation. Why: 
  
 - Entry level PM roles are HARD to come by in the EU & UK 
 - Management Consulting does not pay well in EU & UK to "save great money". Middle East is a good option 
 - ESSEC/HEC/IE are good for locals 
  
 INSEAD/LBS -> Middle East MC = $$$

Means I should Target INSEAD and Lbs for mim then MBBs or other strategy consulting middle East . 
 , >Btw is this plan seems realistic about saving great money within 5-6 years , if we talk about actual ground reality , What you say @spymig

Indeed 
  
 Source: moved back to India from UK after management consulting

Chief of Staff

I am planning for masters in management within next 2 years , I am thinking of INSEAD , ESSEC, hec Paris or LBS , my long term goal is to work in product management/ management consulting abroad fo...

Welcome to Moving Abroad's Private Community

I am planning for masters in management within next 2 years , I am thinking of INSEAD , ESSEC, hec Paris or LBS , my long term goal is to work in product management/ management consulting abroad for 5-6 years , saving great money and coming back to India to invest and buy a decent home for myself in posh locality and generating a passive income stream ,is It a good decision, is it possible to save that much ad will able to repay the education loan within a year or two after graduating?

Masters in management (MIM)

Masters in management (MIM)- Grapevine

Welcome to Business Roles's Private Community

I am graduating in 2024 and looking for joining entry level product/business analyst roles . I am wondering when the things will get normalise and hiring frequency will become normal as most of the students even from IITs and other premium institutes are finding it hard to bag jobs unlike in past years , what should I do being a tier 3 college student having a mechanical engineering background who wants to switch to product/biztech roles , i am planning to puruse MIM abroad after 2 years , will I face any difficulties in finding jobs in European regions if target hec Paris/LBS OR INSEAD FRANCE OR ESSEC

When the hiring trend will back to normal

Me: APM with almost 2 years of experience looking to do an MBA to fast track my career.

Post-MBA roles:
- Product Management
- Strategy Roles
- Program/Project Management
- General Management
- Other similar roles

Long term goal: To stay in India; fine with working 2-3 years abroad.

Query 1: Considering an average profile with 9/8/8 in high school/intermediate/college, tier-1 undergrad and 2 years work-ex at a start-up. Do I have a chance to bag an MBA admit from the following with little scholarship:

- LBS
- Insead
- HEC Paris
- Oxford
- Cambridge
- SDA Bocconi
- NUS Singapore
- IESE
- ISB

I'm targeting 1 year programs only for cost purposes, hence the US is out of the picture. Feel free to suggest good 1 yr US programs

Query 2: How much GMAT is required for my profile to get into these schools?

Query 3: Are 2 year IIM Programs more advisable for me and should I leave abroad colleges altogether. At the maximum, I can't wait more than 3 years of work-ex at the time of applying due to personal reasons.

Please guide me🙏🙏🙏🙏

MBA Profile Evaluation and PM Career

My opinion -  
  
 Q1 - If your long term goal is to be in India, prefer institutions within india. Reason - You won’t be able to build network, an imp component of any MBA program. I know someone who went Dublin and struggling even to get references back home. Adding A/B/C will help  
  
 Q2 - Target 720, you will land at a better place. GMAT is just a barrier, not the deciding criteria. 
  
 Q3- 2 years would be good considering your constraints and long term goals. If you can extend 1 more year, you’ll be eligible for IIMs 1 yr MBAs.  
  
 Overall - It’s my strong opinion that if you are targeting foreign MBAs, value derivation will happen only if you plan to stay, work abroad for few years. Financial burdens will be less plus you will something worthwhile to show. See the privilege of “foreign-returned” is slowly reducing in india as global roles are getting created here as well.

Product Manager

Product Management

I agree inflation is everywhere, Recession is going on ,AI is here to help you increase your productivity or to eat some of the jobs too , Many Indian expats are returning to India , at the same time many of them are also giving up Indian citizenship, i know tech is booming in India but on the other hand we became the most populous country in the world , unless you are from top IITs Nits and iiits or top B-schools , it's very difficult to secure good headstart at entry level in such a competition, although in the long run experience matters but it's really difficult to secure good entry level jobs so what you will suggest:-

1.Keep on fighting in such a pool of applicants in govt job , other entry level jobs with Tier 1 candidates or in cat for tier 1 b schools(according to me tier 2 and tier 3 b-schools aren't worth the time and money) as a GEM

2. Go for masters abroad in a good university within 1 year or 2 , live frugally for 2-3 years there , earn good money , repay the education loan( if taken) , save for 8-10 years and then return to India to either diversify the sources or invest smartly

Just give your honest opinion

I am graduating in 2024 and looking for joining entry level product/business analyst roles . I am wondering when the things will get normalise and hiring frequency will become normal as most of the students even from IITs and other premium institutes are finding it hard to bag jobs unlike in past years , what should I do i am planning to puruse my MIM from abroad in next two years and targeting hec Paris LBS OR INSEAD FRANCE OR ESSEC ,will I face any difficulties in getting product/consulting roles in Europe middle East if graduating from these institutes keeping in mind the current job market, although no one can predict what will happen in next two years but I just want a rough estimation...

Job market in Europe/ UK in next two years

Welcome to Product Managers's Private Community

Very confused and have very less time to finalize

Should going to IIMA/B worth it to someone who is IIT passout with 3 years of work experience and have ~50L CTC? Very confused in deciding!!

Welcome to Office Gossip's Private Community

After reading replies in grapevine for dystopian policies, HR policies, work culture, companies to avoid(looks like all companies should be avoided), related questions I'm kind of regretting as I took the decision to stay back in India and not pursue masters abroad to live with my parents.

Given how pathetic the work culture is in almost all the startups(I'll go with 99.99%), politics and poor work life balance and living in a country where I don't get any tax benefits even after paying 30+% direct income tax, is it really worth living in this country anymore ? I'm feeling very sad, looks like I missed the opportunity to go abroad as I'm 25 now. Only my love towards my parents is holding me back since they both are around the age of 60 and I don't want to be the son who will make crores of money abroad and not be with them in case of any emergency. I'm don't want to leave them alone. Looks like there is no hope working in India. 😔

Is living in India worth it?

Backend Engineer

Non-tech grad planning to do Masters but stuck in this conundrum. For more context:

- Grades went down a lot but for medical reasons 
- Loads of extra curriculars plus freelancing for 2 years
- Working as a marketer in an early stage startup  
- GRE score: 320. CAT yet to give this Nov 

I know that getting IIM BLACKI is impossible even if I’m not a GEM cause all they care about is grades. But I wanna know if an MiM abroad (from a good uni) is worth it or should I just do an MBA in some top 10 B school here. 

If anyone’s done an MiM - lemme know the ROI and if it’s truly worth spending 50L+ for a one year degree.

MiM abroad vs MBA in one of top 10 B schools in India?

Content Strategist

Hey everyone. I have an experience of around 3 years a d currently with my MBA plans. I want do my MBA from Tier 1  college (atleast top 50) because I graduated from Tier 3 college. Should I try for ISB or go abroad. Should it be 1 year or 2 year? I have a lot of questions like these. 

Please share your suggestions. It would be helpful to many.

Plans to do MBA

Associate Consultant

I am probably earning 2x of what an average T-1 MBA grad makes in India. I'm just not happy in my role and this SDE grind caught me lackin'.

Can you help me determine whether it is still a good bet to get an MBA? Because these normie MBA folks are literally the dumbest people I have seen and I think I can do a better job than them.

Earning 2x of a Tier-1 MBA grad already. Should I still do an MBA?

I joined an MBA program while I was making close to the average salary of post MBA grads. 
  
 Few things to remember: 
  
 1. Opportunity cost of a 2 year MBA is humongous. The PGP at IIMs will cost you a crore+. Imagine trying to get an ROI on it. 
  
 2. PGP at IIMs are filled with freshers and low work experience folks which naturally means there are very few senior roles on offer. So you may not find the right level after MBA. 
  
 3. It's best to restrict yourself to 1 year programs like ISB's PGP and IIM's PGPX. 
  
 4. Be really sure of what you want from the MBA. You can easily switch to SDM or product roles without MBA. Recommend giving that a shot if you are just tired of SDE

Program Manager

How valuable is an online MBA from an institution like NMIMS in comparison with a full time MBA. In terms of value, exposure, financial returns etc.

How valuable is an online MBA, would be nice if you can give a rough comparison with a full time MBA.

Consultant

Should I go for MBA in top 10 b schools india like IIMs, XLRI, SPJAIN, etc

So a little background about myself. 

I graduated in 2023 from a tier college and managed to get an off-campus job in an investment bank as an SDE. 

My current salary is 24LPA.

Would it be beneficial for me to do MBA from the above mentioned colleges

Like would the placements there be better than what I have currently? 

Also if I can save enough money in 2 years would a MBA in US in a top 20 uni be better than MBA in IIM? 

I will be going for further studies sometime in 2025 or 2026.

My main goal is to improve my salary and build a network. 

I have also managed my own dev agency and did freelance projects in the past 4 years. 

If anybody has gone through the same please let me know your experience. 

This also applies to MTech/MS as well

Thank you.

Should I go for an MBA?

Software Engineer

Considering a fresher who will need to do a masters abroad (MiM/Masters not MBA as it needs work ex) with a loan vs a fresher who will start working right after UG in Consulting or Finance
Considering the PPP, and also considering that it is a golden decade for India
How will it look for these two different routes? Would love to hear your opinion/suggestions

Where can one earn the most? India vs Abroad

Just wanted to know if your top B schools in India actually are worth the money you’re ready to shell out or is it something that’s just gold covered ***. 

Incase of doing an MBA any recommendations at what stage in my career should I go for one and which schools should I apply for ? 👽

Are colleges like ISB worth it or are they just fancy overhyped colleges ?

Assistant Manager

Welcome to Personal Finance's Private Community

I am a 22 year old Male working in Mumbai. I have just over an year’s ago experience of working in a consulting firm. My base is 26-30LPA. For those whose have invested in properties (residential), and those who chose not to - is it ideal for me to take a loan to buy a house for my parents. It’s price is ~1Cr and I’d be taking a loan for 5 years. I am wondering if a liability would hamper my growth (personally or professionally), or would this be a worthwhile investment. I am confident about the investment itself, as in i expect it to appreciate in value, but still have doubts about taking a loan. And advise/opinion would be helpful

Advise on property investment

Strategy Consulting

I'm a final year student at a tier-1 engineering college. I am looking to break into product management and have been looking for internships and full time opportunities for the last 5 months. I've had no luck so far, and my campus placements are not up to the mark this year so no luck there as well. I've done all the essentials for preparing for this role, like preparing for interviews, participating in product teardowns, working on a portfolio etc. I initially planned to work for a few years and do an MBA in the US but I'm seriously contemplating going for a master's degree now (maybe MiM in EU or some MS in software applications in the US). Looking for advice on what should be my next steps. 
PS: I'm not looking to do an MBA in India. If I go for a master's degree, I want to do it abroad.

Is this a good time to go for higher studies (in management or similar)?

Welcome to Software Engineers's Private Community

Hi,

I have been working in the Software Industry for the past 9 years. I feel like I have made a good use of my time and money and maybe some of my lessons can help you folks as well. Recently did a calculation for my NW and I am happy and proud to see my NW crossing 2CR+. I have 0 debt and do not own a house. Here is how my portfolio look like

TC: 1.3 Cr
YOE: 9

I am happy to do an AMA. Ask me anything about tech, career, love, marriage, money management, therapy, songs and movies.
#Ask Me Anything #ama #amazon #atlassian #google #startups #bengaluru #networth #money management #finance #india

Sorry if delay in responses, I'll answer all your questions eventually.

[AMA] 9 years in Software Engineering in India. NW 2.5Cr

I see a lot of similar questions and I'll try to answer them here.

>>>>>>CTC Progression<<<<

My current CTC is 1.3CR . 50% is cash, 50% is stocks.

Here is my CTC progression over the years

1st - 12L
2nd - 12L (Switched Companies)
3rd - 15L 
4th - 24L (Switched companies)
5th - 42L (Switched Companies)
6th - 48L
7th - 66L
8th - 72L
9th - 1.3Cr (Switched Companies)

As you can see I almost everytimg doubled my compensation when I switched my companies. But there are reasons to stay at a company as well. If you are learning and are able to handle different problems at scale, stay. When you feel stuck, leave and look for better opportunities. I have never switched job to get more money. I love CS. I have been coding since 15 years. What made me switch was either bad managers, uninteresting problems not visibility of learning and growth.

Asking this for a friend.

SHE: 
- Senior Risk Analyst | 4 years WorkEx | American Express. 
- Graduate from an old IIT. 
- Reason - MBA ideally from abroad, for exposure, foreign tag and global opportunities.
- Wants to come back to India, maximum 2 years after MBA completion.

Profile:
- GMAT Classic = 710
- 9/9/8 in X/XII/undergrad
- Planning to do some side NGO work

Post-MBA desired roles:
- Roles with intersection of finance and analytics.
- Research based roles
- Strategy Roles
- Not Consulting, IB, or Corporate Finance


Query 1: Considering her profile, does she have a chance to bag an MBA admit from the following with little scholarship:

- LBS
- Insead
- HEC Paris
- Oxford
- Cambridge
- SDA Bocconi
- NUS Singapore
- IESE
- ISB
- Are there other good schools, she can Target?

She's targeting 1 year programs only for cost purposes, hence the US is out of the picture. Feel free to suggest good 1 yr US programs

Query 2: Is it worth considering ISB MBA or IIM A PGPX, are they good and any comparison between the two?

Query 3: Should she reappear for GMAT, if her score is not good enough? How else can she build her profile? Any consultant she can refer to based on your personal experience?

Please guide 🙏🙏🙏🙏

MBA Profile Evaluation and Suggestion

How are the job prospects in general? How are the prospects in Dubai after doing the MIM .Is it worth it? . While the 2022 graduates had great job offers, the 2023 batch struggled. Any thoughts on this?

Masters in management (MIM)

Discover More

Business Roles on

by Kendall Carmden

Student

When the hiring trend will back to normal

Moving Abroad on

by Kalan Lee

CleverTap

MBA Profile Evaluation and PM Career

Misc on

by Kendall Carmden

Student

Just give your honest opinion

Moving Abroad on

by Jordon Gabriel

Student

Job market in Europe/ UK in next two years

Product Managers on

by Kendall Denver

Zomato

Should going to IIMA/B worth it to someone who is IIT passout with 3 years of work experience and have ~50L CTC? Very confused in deciding!!

Office Gossip on

by Coy Nadeen

Stealth

Is living in India worth it?

Moving Abroad on

by Kendall Everett

Freelancer

MiM abroad vs MBA in one of top 10 B schools in India?

Business Roles on

by Kalan Lee

Capgemini

Plans to do MBA

FAANG on

by Blair Lee

Uber

Earning 2x of a Tier-1 MBA grad already. Should I still do an MBA?

Product Managers on

by Coy Gabriel

Multinational company

How valuable is an online MBA, would be nice if you can give a rough comparison with a full time MBA.

Business Roles on

by Karilyn Nadeen

Goldman Sachs

Should I go for an MBA?

Business Roles on

by Coy Lee

Student

Where can one earn the most? India vs Abroad

Office Gossip on

by Jordon Hyrum

Stealth

Are colleges like ISB worth it or are they just fancy overhyped colleges ?

Personal Finance on

by Coy Gabriel

Urban Company

Advise on property investment

Product Managers on

by Matilda Lee

Student

Is this a good time to go for higher studies (in management or similar)?

Software Engineers on

by Kendall Lee

Google

[AMA] 9 years in Software Engineering in India. NW 2.5Cr

Business Roles on

by Kendall Denver

CleverTap

MBA Profile Evaluation and Suggestion

Moving Abroad on

by Kendall Gabriel

Stealth

Thoughts on MIM( Insead, LBS) vs ISB MBA