2) is more safe. 1 is risky but there could be more upside

Why do you call 1 more risky? Faangs are generally in S&P500 US index. Majority of the time their stock would grow (on an avdmg S&P500 index would increase over time) and INR would always depreciate against USD.

Software Engineer

1 is risky because your job and your RSU are correlated. When you’re most likely to need the money (like when you’re fired), you’re also most likely to lose RSU value (because the company is hurting and is laying people off). 
  
 If your RSUs become a majority of your net worth, I’d sell some.

Product Manager

If a person is an employee of faang in india and has 1 RSU allotted to him, then he can make money in two ways:  1) He can hold that RSU. If the value of the company RSU increases (capital gains) a...

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If a person is an employee of faang in india and has 1 RSU allotted to him, then he can make money in two ways:

1) He can hold that RSU. If the value of the company RSU increases (capital gains) and INR depreciates against the dollar, then later on when he sells it he would make money.

2) Another way is to sell the RSU right now and invest the money in Indian market. Then the money that he'll earn will be proportional to his portfolio performance(capital gains)


Which one of the two seems to be a better way to create wealth?

Let me know your thoughts.

RSU hold or invest in India market?

RSU hold or invest in India market?- Grapevine

I am not really good with finances, my personal portfolio size is around 15lacs, and other than that my 11 lacs worth of Amazon RSUs are vested.

I have genuine question on how do you guys manage RSUs ?
Do you take it out and invest somewhere else or just let it stay there in your company broker account.

Can someone help me in managing it better.

A bit more context about me if that helps:
* currently working as SDE 2 promoted 2 quarters back only ( before that TC was around 21) and current TC is around 49lacs

How do you guys manage your RSUs ?

Software Developer

I have a friend with an offer from Coinbase in India where the RSUs will be vested on a quarterly basis. 

Need to understand the following things:

- What is the tax on exercising the RSUs after the grant and on Selling it later?
- Is there double taxation on selling it as the company is listed in US and he's an Indian shareholder?

Any good blog or video on this topic would be very helpful.

How does the RSUs work for Indian employees

Can someone throw light on RSUs(US based) taxation in India
1. How are taxes deducted? 
2. Does the taxes gets deducted in India as well as the US?
3. What is the right approach to pay these taxes? using shares or by salary if falling in 30% + surcharge bracket.
4. I salary is 85 lakhs and RSUs vesting per year is 50 lakhs..Then what would be taxable income?

Inputs are highly appreciated.

RSUs taxation in India

Please share the knowledge you've about these two!

ESOPs vs RSUs

Product Owner

The FAANG and unicorn employee salaries for even 2-7 YOE engineers is quite insane compared to the average Indian employee pay in other sectors of the economy.

The average SDE2 at these companies makes 50+ lakhs per year in compensation (not “CTC” but real money) The average SDE3 makes 80+ lakhs which is frankly insane.

What are you guys doing with all that money?

FAANG & unicorn folks, what do you do with all that money?

Giving 34.2% directly and 18-28% indirectly to gormint. My biggest expenses by a country mile.

Security Engineer

Analyst

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I had a very basic doubt.
For people who've exercised their stock options or have had some similar experience with this in the past, what's best way to limit the tax liability?

My company is registered in the US - would i have to pay taxes to both the governments?

Thanks in advance and have a great day ahead!

Tax liability for vested stock options

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I have around 2 years of experience.
1) 10 months in pervious company with 6 month internship and 4 month full time.
2) 1 year 1 month in current company.

I recently applied for a company and was offered an MTS role. ( 18 cash, 50 private RSUs + additional benefits) Total CTC is approximately 34 LPA

The offer sounds overwhelmingly good based on current market standards but when I checked company’s stock price in secondary markets, they are worth less than 50% of what was quoted by the recruiter.

Right now I am a bit skeptical on the stock price as the company has not yet gone public but they plan to in next couple of years.

Not sharing company and personal details for obvious reasons.

Thoughts on my offer?

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What are our options if congress for some reason comes to power ?.

I have heard stories how the land was taken away from people and given to someone because they politically close to them during Indira Gandhi time . Any ideas how we can protect myself from this crap of policy that congress is planning ?

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I have more than 3.5+ years of experience, in growth and marketing. The role is Growth and marketing manager.

Do publicly listed Indian companies offer stock/RSU for new employees. If so, how much should the ratio of stocks to the salary be?

Marketing Manager

What’s the advantage of RSUs over ESOPs? Is it RSU that’s more lucrative as I always had ESOPs that didn’t materialise into anything :-(.

Program Manager

Hi,

Here's a quick summary for taxation of RSU's.
This is for employees who get stocks of their parent companies listed abroad as part of their salary package.

The RSU are taxed after clubbing with the salary as a perquisite and thereafter in Capital gains arising on account of holding such shares.

At the time of grant: No tax liability.

At the time of vesting: The  fair market value of the share on the date of vesting is taxed at the slab rate by the employer by selling the shares to cover the tax liability.
Example - If you have 10 RSU vested, your employer will sell 3 RSU to cover the tax liability and will give you 7 RSU.

At the time of sale: After vesting, the difference between fair market value on the date of vesting and selling price is taxed as capital gain as below:
a) Holding period of more than 24 months,  long-term capital gain, taxable at 20% with post-indexation benefit. 
b) If the period is lesser, it is short-term gain taxable at the slab rate.

At the time of filing ITR, you should declare the holding of foreign shares in schedule FA

Taxation of RSU ( Restricted Stock Units)

Chartered Accountant

What are the ways to reduce the stock price of a private company before it goes for IPO?

Example:

Let's say the stock price of a private company is Rs 8000 with a face value of Rs 10. So one way here is to split the stock in a 1:10 ratio making the stock price Rs 800 which might make it easier for growth of the company

Another way I'm aware is to issue bonus shares to the employees which would reduce the stock price

What other ways are there?

I'm looking for answers where there are benefits to employees and where there aren't

Private company valuations

Growth Manager

Funding winter has taught us that cash is king.
How should one negotiate ESOPs now that it is clear that almost all unicorns are overvalued? Startups are still peddling ESOPs to new employees at 2021 valuation which will get corrected sooner or later.

Are ESOPs worthless?

Offer : E4 175k pounds
Current: L4 56 Lakhs
YoE: 1 year 7 months

Here's what I have considered:

- Living in London is going to be costly, on an avg I'll be saving 1.2x of India.
- Meta London created a bad reputation for itself when last year it laid off people from India just 2 days after joining
- it's not worth it going from L4 to E4, I probably should switch only when getting a higher level or a big big pay bump (this is probably not a big pay bump considering the cost of living)
- I am not very good at making friends, and I have quite some friends here now... I don't just want to leave everything and be alone in a new city so far away from home.

- the only pro point I see is that..  it is London.

Do you think I should reconsider my decision?

I have decided to reject Meta London offer

Dude, take risk. I know staying in Google looks like safety net but You might not be able to do adventures stuff later in life. Moving to a new country, new food, new culture. You WILL meet new people. Those things can’t be bought.

Consider this scenario:

A well established publicly trading company is giving you $45000 (120 units) worth of RSUs, with vesting schedule of 4 years. The work culture seems stressful (asked from ex employees) and they have a 4 day work from office where they track your badge attendence. 

And a Series B startup is giving you $45000 (9000 units) worth of ESOPs with vesting schedule of 4 years. It has scope to go for Series C and D fundings and even IPO in 4-5 years. The company is flexible in remote/office setting and has some perks like: once a quarter a selected Monday will be holiday, yearly offsite to exotic places.

Which one would you prefer RSUs or ESOPs? and why? Kindly explain why your preferences.

ESOPs or RSUs? Which would you choose?

Truths about ESOP 101 

After working in multiple fast growth startup’s and having been part of multiple buybacks as well as being in the startup ecosystem for a decade I want to put to bear my pov about creating wealth through ESOP. 

Like any other randomised event, ESOP also follows Pareto principle which means a very small number of people within the company ever make sizable wealth that they elevate to the top 0.1% of the country. 

The Pareto also applies with companies; significantly small minority of companies in India have employee friendly policies which enables an employee to create wealth. 

Most startup’s have dark patterns within their esop policy which either locks you in for insufferable durations or forces you to pay exorbitant taxes to gain the right to exercise your esops when you are leaving the company. 

Survivorship bias plays a huge role in enabling the narrative that esop is a great wealth generating tool leading to rude awakening for an employee after they join a company. 

This doesn’t mean you can’t make wealth, it just means don’t get carried away by narratives and take preventable errors in your career. 

Always talk to multiple people in startup’s and ask relevant questions to understand esop policies better. 

Like everything else optimising only for esop for wealth creation will mostly not result in it.

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