Money making, without a thought given if they are passionate and want to really make the change in education life.  
 Creating plans and selling on fear like insurance, leeching on parents fomo, bound to fail

Isn't it gonna happen in any overly densed developing nation ?

Founder

I don’t think its abt population, population actually a enabler that they are able to reach to such a stage because of selling something at country level. 
 Lack of passion nd trying to make a business nd try to replicate the kota success story.

Software Engineer

Remember the tutions we used to go when we were in school? They sell the idea that if you enroll your kid he/she will score very well. So parents give it a try, spend money upfront and the kid end up getting ok-ish score. Indian parents are never satisfied so they change tution.  
 Imagine the same scenario, but the tution is virtual. Parents give it a try and pay hefty fee upfront. But end up realising its basically an expensive version of Youtube premium. So they drop.  
  
 They need long term customers to sustain. Which I don't think is possible atleast in India.

Why do you think about rise of PW ? Will it be able to sustain its growth and position ?

Analyst

Welcome to Indian Startups's Private Community

What are problems with edTech startups in general?

What are problems with edTech startups in general?- Grapevine

Welcome to Office Gossip's Private Community

I’m really curious to know what exactly the Marketing Team does cause in the previous two organisations that I worked at , The Marketing Dept was kinda meh. So I wanted to know if it’s the case everywhere or does an actual good Marketing Team exist as the ones I’ve interacted with their lead generation and marketing was trash.

Do Marketing Teams Actually Do Anything ?

Assistant Manager

You know the stereotypical Edtech startup - sales-driven, promises good placements, no quality control, overpriced AF.

Is there any company who's actually focusing on building something valuable in this space?

Are there any 'ethical' Edtech startups in India?

Graphy has forced a 30% salary cut on each employee to achieve profitability this year. This cut will be applicable from February onwards until 7-8 months. 

Truly a sad time for the Edtech ecosystem.

30% Salary Cuts at Unacademy

I repeat: 
  
 If you have options, avoid joining EdTech companies. 
  
 If you're already working for one, exit at first opportunity. 
  
 Indian EdTech companies are largely sweat shops in fancy office buildings.

Growth And Strategy

Program Manager

I was previously working in a startup in a software/IT role. Now, after 3 months of searching for a job, I got an interview from an ed-learning startup in Bengaluru for a business development role. 

Please give me your takes on this. What would be the pros and cons of taking up this job?

How are ed-learning startups for work?

I'm tired of people calling everything in edtech a scam, of course the companies don't help themselves by their bs marketing and unattainable placement claims and other bullshit

But I'm genuinely curious as to what grapers/ grapies / viners find to be not a scam in edtech ?

If everything in edtech is a scam, what is not ?

Computer Operator

Most Edtech startups seem to be providing very little value, and are pure sales machines. Learning is super important, and I’m beginning to realise I’ve not done any structured online learning in the longest times (Coursera early days, Bucky Roberts on YouTube etc.)

Wanted to know if any of you have tried out online courses somewhere and have had a genuinely good learning experience?

Has anybody here had a positive Edtech experience?

Corporate Strategist

Just a random thought which popped in my mind that when you say online classes most people tend to feel uneasy due to how online classes were conducted by our traditional schools / colleges which to be very honest the faculties are technologically challenged and lack the tools or knowledge to conduct them. It was just a joke tbh. 

Now however people have that idea of online education in mind which means they are completely against online education and EdTech even though these are companies who have the knowledge and technology to conduct them well and are made for online education. 

How can we fix this mess and do you think EdTech will survive as an industry or become obsolete in India ?

Do you think traditional schools / colleges shifting to online mode during COVID messed up the EdTech space ?

Edtech is dead, agreed. But we haven't reached the quality of output which is expected from education in India. We don't have quality outputs, most youngsters are unemployed and this change has to start from education. 

Byju, UA or Vedantu are the highest valued edtechs but they are not the face of what an education company should be like in a country like India. Let's leave them to the karma of their shortcomings and cheating. 

On a serious note trying to understand how we can use amalgamation of tech and education to get the desired result.

Things you would change about edtech!

Product Owner

Welcome to Product Managers's Private Community

As the title says. Have worked close to 10 years now in 
this industry. Can answer on how sales, marketing and operations work here. Never had visibility on funding etc but have seen the ill effects of toxic VC money

AMA about Edtechs

I have been on this journey for a long time now. Lots of failure comes with loads of learning. Each step or initiative I took has helped me grow as a person, the business guy (ed-tech, media space), and also in terms of technicalities (full-stack product management, hardcore hands-on into technology and I love user experience)

Ps: currently running an edtech startup in pre-seed/seed stage

Feel free to ask anything, would be happy to help even personally

5 years of failure (Entrepreneurship) AMA

Are there even edtech start-up doing fine?

edtechs are shit?

This market is seeing tough winds from last 2/3 years. I have worked and thrived here. Really worried with what is happening here! What’s your thought?? Please participate in the Discussion

Is EdTech business done? Players are going down. Who will survive?

Consultant

Most edtechs have been infamous for mis-selling, poor teaching , etc but are there any good startups who are doing great work?

Any good Edtechs worth joining?

Welcome to Software Engineers's Private Community

The camp in my opinion is not what it claims to be. People who are doing well in the camp are the ones who took matters in their own hand and started learning on their own.

Pros:

1. Practice sets were given often(There were 27 practice sets of all topics) which helped us form the practice for writing code for hooks without wasting time in thinking about the approach.

2. Community is good. MA’s are very helpful and will guide you in every situation. Taking the time out of their busy schedule. Very thankful to them.

3. Machine coding rounds were conducted. Which helped us speed up the process. 

4. Revision sessions were conducted for people who couldn’t understand the lecture taken by Tanay. These sessions were taken by Akanksha.

Cons:

1. Redux was removed from course even though it is mentioned on the website. They say that redux is not important but it is, companies ideally want their candidates to know redux.

2. Tanay simply skims through a topic, does not go in depth inside any topic. An advice which he ironically gives in his youtube videos. He ignores any advanced questions asked in the session claiming he has not covered yet. Says he will teach later and does not cover that topic later.

3. We were forbidden to discuss anything that isn’t taught yet.Stopping the flow of knowledge. That means you can’t even use the community to discuss something new because they haven’t taught it yet.

4. MA’s(Ex-neoGrads) were discouraged from answering questions about topics that weren’t taught yet. They used to host sessions on hard topics that people didn’t understand in voice chats but were discouraged to do so.

5. Didn’t even cover the dependency array in useEffect hook. He just said you will keep it empty 90% of the time. useMemo and useCallback were not even mentioned. Forget about code optimizations. Honestly, you will learn more in a 30min youtube video than in their class.

Continued in comments......

Reality of neoG bootcamp

I joined Neog hoping to learn Advanced Full stack but LOL this whole bootcamp is a scam. They are only focussed on earning money. A simple 500rs Udemy course will teach you more than this Channa mereya drama. There has been 0 percent addition in my knowledge after joining NEOG because I already know basics I wanted to learn Advanced things. 
  
 1) No Lectures on memo and callback 
 2) No Redux 
 3) DSA lol (mentioned on the website) 
 4) Backend LMAO ( mentioned on the websit) 
 5) Industry Standard Coding - why is it even mentioned on the website. 
  
  
 I have no problem with Neog Do whatever you want. But please don't lie about your course. Just Mention it on your website that you will only teach basics. I regret that hard-earned money of my parents is wasted.

Frontend Engineer

I work as a Product manager at a series A well funded startup.
This company is run by a solo founder/CEO.

This is a wannabe tech and product startup that does not care about their product at all. The internal review meetings get 5 minutes on product and 55 minutes on business and operations on a good day!

All they care about is how to run operations and tech just works on automation instead of building the product for the end user. Every OKR cycle runs for two months where OKRs are set for product but we end up building internal tools because things get "re-prioritised" and operations "can not miss targets".

The worst part is that the strategy changes every 2 months and every week, the CEO keeps adding new "wants". Almost like a baby seeing shiny new toys.
At this stage, the product has become a mess with no identity at all!

This baby always says "But is that even do-able" acts critical and tries to seem smart in front of their employees while lying to the investors and board every other week that we are a tech and product company.

I don't know if this happens at other startups in India. 

Would love to hear what y'all have experienced.

Identifying a Baby founder

You sound like a tech bro, who thinks that only tech runs the world. Huge companies like Tata, reliance etc are built on solid operations and business insights.  
  
 Tech is enabler, if the founder is smart with business and operations, most likely he will make a good business, and unless you start valuing things beyond tech also, you will keep hopping jobs and cribbing why people don’t value you.

Senior Product Manager

LeapScholar who has raised a lot of funds in last 2 years, wanted to raise new round at 2.5B but the investors rejected the valuation as the revenue numbers are very less (Just 40- 50M). 

Funny part is that they told all the employees and everyone that they have already raised this funding, just have to do the Pr for it. 

No wonder, entire mid-management team at Leap has left and the upper management people left are so sub-par (look at their CoS(s)). Don’t even get me started on their founder.

Leap Scholar failing to become an unicorn

Growth Manager

Do you think that most of the edtechs for College students and professionals just dump a ton of web developers, who have also crammed up DSA. 

Once, a Scaler sales person called me and we talked for almost an hour. I said that I'm already working in a product company and was making a decent (decent only, not in par with the usual SDE salaries in tier 1 tech companies). 

He still wanted me to sign up 😂
I said that, I'm willing to sign up only if they have a detailed course on a topic (development using Java, and Kotlin).

He said that they do web development only because it's a vetted curriculum and easy to learn and get a job. 

I asked why do they charge a ton of money while they've made the curriculum public, and the response was that it's for the faculties and the mentors available. 

It doesn't make sense to me, as we can connect easily with most of the people from any of the companies (and usually a good number of people are just waiting for someone to reach out to them). 

Where will this end? A ton of web developers who are just there because of the salary?

Some says that India is not yet home to good deep tech companies, and I believe that this is the reason for the same. 

I strongly feel that a good number of the software developers are just there because they got into it without exploring further options, and because of the pay (not everyone)

Edtech - Controversial Topic

Product Manager

I joined this job 3 months back. Things haven't been good. Part of the problem is that the people I am reporting into have little to no experience in the segment they are entering into and are not willing to listen to someone who has worked in this segment for 15+ years.

I am a little bemused.... I don't really need the job. But the money is nice..... 

Any suggestions on what to do.....

What are problems with edTech startups in general?

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