WobblyBurrito
WobblyBurrito

Indian SDEs will do all DSA and System Design chatter but cannot create any real value

Indian SDEs on LinkedIn & Twitter are some of the worst engineers you will ever find across the real world. Their typical value lies around:

  • Cracking a FAANG/MAANG or Product company.
  • Make an announcement on LinkedIn & Twitter and accumulating followers.
  • Starting YouTube channel, Topmate links, affiliate marketing channels, and more.
  • Rant DSA, System Design, Interview resources all day long.
  • Post daily of their office, their colleagues, candid shots, and barely getting any work done.

While this is expected out of early career professionals, it pains to see senior SDEs doing the same shit over and over again. Things don't end here — Everyone talks about creating a revolution. And the revolution is teaching DSA.

If you are an experienced SDE and still ranting DSA, it just means that you have barely learnt anything that is of worth any value. You are atmost a "Ticket Engineer". You get assigned a Jira ticket, you bust your ass solving it, and that's it. That's your entire value.

Its high time that these "Bhaiya", "Didis", "Bhabhis" stop ranting DSA and System Design over and over, and build something of real value. You would barely see any credible open-source projects coming out of India (but hey, we have some many contributors!), barely any Indie dev project, or anything that captures the attention of the world.

Literally every popular SDE you might follow or see over your social media is the same. Their entire community game is a farce and designed to capture gullible college students and shill thousands of rupees out of them. You might be featured on Times Square ($40 ka showoff), but no one would remember you for anything that you built.

<Rant Over. Peace>
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JazzyBurrito
JazzyBurrito

A big reason for that is non-Indian SDEs choose computer science because they are passionate about it. A great deal of Indians choose it because it pays. The whole DSA interview process has become just like another Joint Entrance Exam. Optimizing for solving as many coding questions as humanely possible.

WobblyBurrito
WobblyBurrito

Put in simpler words! Thanks :)

SillyPretzel
SillyPretzel

False

FluffyNugget
FluffyNugget
Plivo16mo

Bhabis? Lmao. Good rant 👍🏻

GroovyBoba
GroovyBoba

This what happens when you use the same twitter account for work and nsfw stuff

BouncyPenguin
BouncyPenguin

We do have some good open source projects from India https://github.com/jeswinsimon/awesome-made-by-indians

WobblyBurrito
WobblyBurrito

PyTorch was led by an Indian Engineering Lead in Meta. Didn't come out of India.

I have huge respect for creators of Hoppscotch and Hasura. I did not categorically deny that open-source projects come out India. They do come, but just not in the quantity where we can have a significant dent.

PeppyRaccoon
PeppyRaccoon
Vercel16mo

This is the trend I have noticed recently -

  1. Create a dummy repo for hacktoberfest
  2. Call it collection of projects - other people upload their entire project to each folder
  3. Upload your LC solutions to the repo
  4. Add || Open Source Contributor || to linkedin title & resume

Although, there are many well known projects created & maintained by Indians but they are anonymous

GroovyJellybean
GroovyJellybean

Also check the contributions of these so called college devrels/engineers. Saying they are maintainers when just change HTMl pages(contributions are abt fixing/improving things) One more hack students have found is begging Linux Foundation for scholarships to attend confs in Europe/Americas. This will more hurt reputations of brown engineers.

WobblyBurrito
WobblyBurrito

I have worked with Devtool companies, and let me put this honestly. Most DevRels in the west would absolutely crush Indian SDEs in tech game. One DevRel I worked with had 12 years of professional experience, and this dude can build, deploy, talk, and present an entire end-to-end product out of his own effort (currently he has a Indie dev project he built as a demo which has some 8K GitHub stars). How many Indian DevRels can do it? Most Indian DevRels at best can scam their own companies by bringing students which might uptick their numbers but won't reflect on the actual revenue game.

PeppyTaco
PeppyTaco

Okay I got a different opinion. What's wrong in being so? Their life, their choice. Innovation is not born out of compelling someone to do it. The person doing should feel the compelling urge from within. In a nation whose avg income is around 2LPA and a SWE starts at 4+ LPA , it has been a GREAT socio economic leveller. A tool for social mobility. And these people (not all) spend like crazy too. So what is the problem? What have they already not done for the nation?

I understand that u r ranting abt mediocrity. I m just mediocrity is not bad. What they want to do, let them do. Each one to their own. As long as they don't cause harm to others, they are good.

WobblyBurrito
WobblyBurrito

I did not intend to make this post from a patriotic point of view. I am not making any violent call to actions, or asking people to cancel them. I am just calling a spade, a spade. Most Indian SDEs are mediocre, for the very same reason you state — They are tuned to improve their lives and social standing. But the same folks have inculcated a toxic environment through social media brainwashing, that it would make an entire generation of software developers less than capable to do anything. Again, it was just my POV and we can agree to disagree.

CosmicKoala
CosmicKoala

may be the real problem then is not them but what interview process of these FAANGs have set, it needs a v2, and the talks might change

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