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SillyDumpling
SillyDumpling
Stealth

Why do SWEs on GV hate PMs so much?

Genuinely curious what is it that you think we do. In real life, I have had a great time with most engineers I have worked with.

I know there's going to be a lot of trolling but looking for some meaningful answers to improve my rapport with tech folks.

9mo ago
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DancingUnicorn
DancingUnicorn
Stealth9mo

Engineers who care about what is being built as much as how it is being built are not coming here to crib.

MagicalQuokka
MagicalQuokka
Stealth9mo

+1 as an engineer

SwirlyRaccoon
SwirlyRaccoon
Target9mo
  • There are good engineers as well as bad engineers
  • There will be good PMs as well as bad PMs

Some PMs can be just project managers Some of them might be bad at stakeholder management. Even the tone of communication and how humble they are matters

SWEs want a lot of concentration. Any meetings would be taken with some hatred.

A lot of them wouldn't want to keep on repeating/explain/teaching things.

I could be wrong 💁🏻‍♂️

DizzyLlama
DizzyLlama
Freelancer9mo

From what I have understood based on replies I have seen in GV, I think it's the lack of empathy shown by PMs.

I feel SEs have experienced that PMs always care about the metrics and want to move the product forward and it isn't always with best intentions of SEs kept in mind. In the sense, PMs promise timelines and the SEs face the brunt of it and the PMs cannot empathize beyond that

DancingTaco
DancingTaco
Flipkart9mo

What all pointers SEs want PMs to understand which can help them other than timelines?

CosmicLlama
CosmicLlama
Stealth9mo

Pm can blame engineers, but engineers can't blame the pm

QuirkyBagel
QuirkyBagel
Stealth9mo

PMs get blamed by the entire org bro for the products/ metrics owned, even for stuff that isn’t really our fault, dev/ business / design delays

SnoozyWaffle
SnoozyWaffle
Flipkart9mo

Most PMs I worked with have been decent to good, but a select few are terrible. The common pattern is they act like they are paying my salary, and that they get to make decisions and I am just a pair of hands. Feel like smacking them.

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