Product Engineer is a software development role. Product management is something entirely different

Product Manager

Product Engineer is just a different name for sde, atleast in my org

Software Engineer

I've been selected as a product Engineer at one of the op payment startups and I can't seem to understand the difference between the two similar sounding roles. Any help?

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Difference between Product Engineer and Product Manager

Difference between Product Engineer and Product Manager- Grapevine

Was checking springworks' job description as ive heard good things about them. Both roles seemed kind of the same. Can someone guide and tell me abkut the difference?

So. What exactly is the difference between product marketing and product management?

Account Manager

I have been lately curious about the two PMs (Product Manager vs Program Manager).
If anyone can help with answer to these questions that would be great

Does your company have both roles?
If yes, are salaries for both on par.
If not, who gets more salary

Product Manager vs Program Manager

Hey grapeviners, I am a software engineer and earning pretty good, but I have always dreamt of becoming a product manager. I don't hold any MBA. So How do I transition from a software engineer to a product manager.

Software Engineer to a Product Manager

Would you rather be an Engineer learning how to Product or a Product Manager learning how to Engineer?

What exactly is this. Every pm role I see seems more like a success role to me (in the b2b industry) for non tech early careers. No actual identification of opportunities to build. 
Ppl in this field do help me out!

What's the difference between a product manager, implementation consultant, product success mgr and product consultant?

Hi! I'm a fresher with about 5 months of work ex. I have previously interned as a PM and now I'm working as an engineer. I'm struggling to choose between software engineering and product management. How should I take a call?

Software engineering vs product management

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I've 6 years of experience in B2C sales along with GTM strategy. I've been looking out for jobs for the past 6 months and I am getting interviews but somehow nothing is working out. 
My skill set basically includes stakeholder management, GTM strategy, revenue strategy, negotiation along with some knowledge of performance marketing. 

I've done BTech and do not have a master's degree. 

I've been contemplating doing some courses but I'm confused between Program Management and Product Management roles. 


Can the Grapevine community give me some guidance here.

Program Manager vs Product Manager

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Money in engineering vs product

Senior Product Manager

Sharing some reflections on this:

1. Product is not a function with a large hierarchy / multiple levels in the ladder. Managerial responsibility comes in very late in the product career and the spans are typically small (relative to other functions like engineering, sales, operations). This also means a steeper funnel to the top and only a handful VP Product roles in the industry.

2. Product is centered around technology and digital consumer trends, both of which are fast changing. This requires constant unlearning and relearning. But more critically, this also means that previous knowledge/experience hits a plateau on marginal value beyond a basic threshold (where you have developed some essential product semse and skills).

3. Product managers are also much higher-paid vs other functional peers, at comparable years of experience. This means that a PM gets to a very high salary (say, 1+ crore) by the age of 40 (15-20y into their career). Tech functions in non-tech companies (like FMCG, banking) cannot offer that kind of pay, meaning salary growth beyond a point is limited to tech-first companies / limiting addressable market for lateral moves.

All of these considererd, how should PMs think about the longevity of their careers? Unlike traditional roles, this does not seem like a "retire at 60" job. What would be the realistic age one should plan for, at which career growth and salary growth will stagnate? What are ways in which a 80%ile PM can extend their career (eg: also taking up engineering management or P&L responsibility or growth function etc., to increase scope)?

PS: this post is not for the top 5-10% PMs. They will always find roles at VP level etc, this is for the 50-90%ile bucket of PM talent.

Longevity of a product career

Will commend you on a very well written and well articulated post. 
  
 Options for the future will be apparent at ~40.  Most peak roles will be achieved between 45-50. 
  
 Possible exits: 
  
 1. Running Category roles at companies which have a broad canvas, multiple product categories. 
 2. Deputing for and eventually running a P&L or a LoB. 
 3. Sales or more critically Customer Success.  Don't shy away from revenue responsibilities. 
  
 Engineering is a sharp left turn imo.  It's not an overlapping skillset at best and don't see how that is part of a PMs likely roadmap.

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Investor

Say you are a spectator and this seems like the next best thing to get into.. is that the right thought? 
And if you’re a non tech bachelors with an mba degree from tier two college, Is it possible to break in product management?
And if you’re seriously considering product still, are the fellowship programs, the boot camps and everything else advertised worth spending money?
Looking for answers, personal journeys and anything that can help!

How to get into product management ?

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4yoe Engineer turned Product Manager. It's been 8 months I joined this B2B SaaS startup as an APM. Engineering team... mostly interns. Most of my time goes into execution following up with devs. Is the PR reviewed, is the bug fix deployed. No Jira, scrum, sprint planning whatsoever.

CEO runs the whole show. Only fear driven product management. I have no idea what it means to work on vision or strategy. My career has started off with a shitty foundation. Everyday I feel like quitting. What should I do? Quit right away or wait n switch to a better company?

Not sure what Product management I am doing

I am in a situation where I need to choose my next role. I can be a program manager working end to end on a program, a product manager for relatively and R&D team, or a software engineer with the R&D team. While I don’t hate coding, and have some basic experience, I am someone who would loves to be a part of the bigger picture, and feels that software engineering is a bit narrow in that aspect. Please help me choose. 

I’ve 2.5 YoE and has been a program manager who has handled product functions as well. I equally love all of the above 3 roles.

Need help choosing a role

Program Manager

How much salary can I expect? Currently I'm 7 years into development

How to transition from engineering to product management?

Hello guys,

Between program/product manager and engineer whose salary is more in the industry if both have the same experience .

Program manager vs Engineer salary

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I feel there is no light for this tunnel for many more months to come. 11150+ Applications for 1 Post. Can't imagine the level of competition.

11,100+ applicants for 1 Job, Is market really getting better as mainstream says?

Analyst

Lately I am seeing a lot of devs transition to product management directly without an MBA. 
Those who have taken that path, is it worth it?

Why did you transition? 
What are some of the things you hadn't consider before making the switch, but faced only after it?
If given the chance, would you continue being a PM or go back to development?

Being a Product Manager worth it?

I joined my company (tech startup) as a Product Manager and over the course of 3 years have worked both in Product as well  as in Business teams. And to be honest, I like both the work.

Now, I am looking for a switch and unable to decide which role I should pursue - Product or Business. So, I would need help from you all. 

From a long term career point of view keeping in mind compensation, scope of work and transitioning into leadership positions (CXOs), which is a better role and why - Product or Business?

Which role would you prefer from an overall career point of view - Product or Business?

I recently got an offer for a founding engineer role at a very early stage startup. The product is not out yet and the role is meant to be building the initial product to be sold to customers who have showed interest in it. The startup is in the payment ops space.

The comp offered is 15lpa and equity of 10lac or 0.5% whichever is higher. I have 3.5yrs of experience and left my job in October last year. I had an exponential growth in my package while moving companies and made 45lpa + ESOPS in my last job, starting with 4.5lpa as a fresher.

I know that I might not be able to get the same comp now given the scenarios in the software and tech industry. 

I wanted to know how to best analyse a comp package for a founding engineer role, particularly at this point in time?

Need help deciding comp for founding engineer role

I am Enginnering Manager with 9 years of work ex. I have opportunity in same company to love to Product Management role.  People working as PM with good work ex and engineering background,  how are you finding the role ? 
P.S. I love working in technology and still do lot of Hands on. 
Could you please tell me pros and cons of this transition.

Engg manager To PM

Project Manager

I see a lot of product managers come from an engineering background. They have worked for a few years as an engineer before making the transition. I want to understand the factors that led to the to make the switch. 

Also, how has that turned out after moving to product management? Did you find the things that you were looking for?


PS: It is also common knowledge that PMs are paid less than engineers.

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