Do you get enough recognition of your efforts and work?

Analyst

Do you get enough recognition of your efforts and work?- Grapevine

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Hi all

I am currently working as a business analyst for about 6 months now. Earlier was in a back end development team but was underperforming as could not really figure out what to do. I don’t like coding. The current role suits me but I don’t know if it has a good future.

Current role - Analyse old product (old code) (understand the complete functionality)
Suggest enhancements if asked for by the client.
Give demos to on-site people/developers
Test the modernised version of the product (started very recently. Called “functional testing”)

Can I switch to a different company with a good jump in pay in future? I feel like the work I do is not really considered worthy and hence there is no growth in this field. 

Please suggest how to move forward. Would like to work for another year or two and then go for an MBA abroad.

Future seems bleak

Sometimes it is really frustrating..we give everything for our job including our family time on important days but sadly it doesn't get recognised.....for the name sake the leaves are given and yes we take leaves only to update the same in the system for HR policies but actually we are working on the same day for extra time. Recognise the efforts during our performance review not the mistakes.
Hope you all agree with me

Recognise the efforts

Consultant

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Hi folks, I’m grossly underpaid and my work output + impact warrants a promotion and a fat hike imo. But being told that this is not possible mid year. What can I do to make it happen? Haven’t had a proper conversation regarding this with manager yet.

How to ask for a promotion/hike mid year?

Product Manager

My company acts like developers are the sole reason the app ui exists. I’m not trying to diss them, it’s a team effort, everyone is involved. 

But when features go live it feels like nobody gives a shit. If it does well, devs get commended. Design is never given any recognition. It feels like no matter how much we do, we’re never contributing enough to be considered impactful even if numbers are going up. Is this the case everywhere?

Do all product companies treat designers like they don’t do much?

Product Designer

Was going through Salary breakdown for Product Managers at various YoE of multiple companies at Grapevine’s own salary database, and also at 6figr. And OMFG the disparity between compensation for same band varies so much, even if the YoE for 2 employees are same. I also saw multiple instances where a person with lower YoE was commanding a significantly higher salary for someone in the same role and band with higher YoE. 

I can’t understand, but why is this the case?? Even the govt has defined pay structure and compensation basis YoE for their employees. Then why can’t the same be followed here in private companies in India. One might argue that YoE might not be the best way to get parity, but how come there is so much gap between wades of 2 PMs in the same company.

Rant : Salary parity in India is such a shitshow!

Most of us on Grapevine, working in corporate sector might make decent chunk of money if we keep grinding for a decade or two but very few of us would have the social capital (or as they say “networking” in our corporate jargon).
Increasingly realising that the society respects the business owners or govt officers more than any senior leader in an IT firm. There is no social recognition for corporate folks. It might not be relevant for young folks as they still have some residual social recognition of the family for now, but what would happen after a decade or two. Most of the corporate “friends” are no longer in touch except for very rare ones. How does one build a social circle after 10-20 yrs in corporate? Would like to hear from folks above 40 yrs if they’ve had similar thoughts and how are they managing?
Also, What are some ways one can start building social circle overtime while doing a corporate job?

PS: I am referring social capital as having a certain level of stature in society alongwith deep connections with some people living around you who can help you in need or can expect something from you. This is different from LinkedIn networking where primary expectation is referrals.

Service Class has no social capital

My father is an officer in a PSU. Not sure what "respect" you are talking about because from what I've seen, PSU workers have a social capital only in their colony/settlement. Apart from that it doesn't really matter for outsiders.  
 Business owners are respected only if he/she is really really successful. Otherwise how often we see someone respecting a normal shop owner?? 
  
 To build your own social capital, participate in tech talks/workshops. Spend time mentoring folks. Participate in society functions/apartments as others have mentioned.

Software Developer

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I myself am a Software dev with more than ten years of exp. 

I mentored a bunch of folks and was active in lot pf communities. I have been noticing this trend for more than couple of years about how freshers and developers with experience of less than two three years are aggressively looking to switch companies to target 30L or 50L or whatever they are currently looking for. 
But I feel this is really bad for future in terms of career growth. I am not against looking for the best offer, but I feel people recently don’t have any priority for career growth. 

I am trying to understand their perspective. I am not jealous of any of these. Heck I prefer that they get more, so that they have to increase my pay to keep up with current trends. It’s just when people ask me for career guidance I don’t want to sound like a jerk to prioritise good work over good pay. 

Can you guys share your inputs/perspectives?

Are juniors salary expectations even realistic?

Staff Engineer

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I have an onshore counterpart, one level above me. We two are setting up the project and conducting workshops. The problems I have are:

1. I work in the B shift from 2 PM to 11 PM since the client is in PST. But i login usually at 10-11
2. My onshore counterpart works in EST but logs in very late.
3. Although I work in the B shift, I often extend until 1 AM because I am preparing all the PPTs and doing research. I have to explain everything I do daily for 2-3 hours. She schedules meetings during the PST afternoon to present that work.
4. It has been 2 months of the same routine. In every weekly stand-up, she gets appreciation as if she did the work and research, without giving me any credit.
5. I can escalate the issue, but no one will listen because she has been here for 12 years, whereas I joined a year ago. She has strong networking with the leadership, which I lack.
6. I can ask for release, but I like this project and have provided solutions for some challenging gaps. I feel very bad because I work for 16-18 hours per day. She could schedule the meeting in the PST morning, but she purposely schedules it in the PST afternoon and gets the credit for my work.

PS: i saw her creating a transcript to read during the meeting

Do people like this really exist? If you have personal commitments, why come to work? Don’t you have a conscience and feel guilty about stealing credit for others’ work? Nowadays, there are many posts related to stopping gender-based reservations. Is it because of situations like this?

Struggling with Credit Thief Daily😒

Associate Manager

Symptoms of being ‘too nice’ to people at work:
- Overuse of gratitude words like Thank you, please, could you, kindly, etc on all forms of communication at work.
- Registering your reactions like thumbs up & clap to literally every chat message in slack/teams/discord channels at work.
- Praise excessively on meetings like retrospectives, etc.
- Replying ‘thank you’ to every individual person who wished you or congratulated you for some occasion, especially in WhatsApp groups.

Have you ever introspected why you are ‘too nice’ to people instead of just being ‘nice’ to people?

Are you too nice to people at work?

Yes. 
 It's a behavior that was very encouraged when I was a junior - managers and founders loved that somebody was nice, would follow their word, and deliver 
  
 As I have grown in the last couple of years within companies, it's becoming a curse. Getting work out of people requires you to sometimes break that habit. I've also been given feedback that I don't speak up when I'm supposed to. 
  
 Nice to the point where you're doing disservice to your work is not nice 
  
 In case anybody went through this, it would be really helpful to hear how you broke it

Software Architect

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Do Company annual awards really reflect your efforts? Does your influence on your manager play a role?

Company awards

This is not specific to Software Engineer, but in general, what was the piece of work that you contributed to directly/indirectly. Also were you appreciated/recognised for the same?

PS - Go wild! Brag your heart out.😅

Biggest achievement you achieved at work

Software Engineer

Take this moment to thank my first manager. She changed my entire career and helped my realise true potential. 

I come from a tier 2 college. Come from a very lower middle class family, thanks to my parents who ensured I got everything for my education without worrying about anything. Topped my 10th board and then fumbled in 12th. Joined a tier 2 private college. Did engineering got placed somehow and then found the manager who changed my life and realised how much importance a manager has. She scolded me but helped me with my mistakes learned everything from her. Started at a salary of 5 lpa then in just 6 years of my journey I have reached a base salary of 80lpa as a director of product management. Although I left the first company after 3.5 years but whatever I learned from her has shaped me to what I am. I truly believe and hard work in initial part of my career and I believe without hardwork one cannot achieve top 1% things... My mantra is to give my 100% and even more in the initial part of career then enjoy everything. Today I am able to provide everything to my family. I have enough time, money and health to support myself and my family.

Just a gratitude post. Hard work always pays off. 

My work ex will be 6 years in April btw...

How good managers are important...

5 to 80 in 6 years! 
  
 Mind sharing the YoY hikes?

For me it is that sometimes I quote 2x the time it will take for me to code something because I want to test it better and ensure that I don't push code with bugs that affects prod deployment with downtime or unintended behaviour. I can do it faster but I know that PMs don't respect developer time and will ask me to build stuff because they want to get promoted for real.

What is the darkest truth that most engineers don't talk about?

The fact that the person who broke prod and then fixed the production issue at 2 AM is praised more than the person who pushed clean code to prod and didn’t break it at all

As I'm entering a new stage of life, I'm starting to reevaluate my career priorities. In my 20s, I was all about climbing the ladder and chasing prestige. Now, I'm more focused on finding work that aligns with my values and allows for a balanced lifestyle. 

Have any of you gone through a similar shift? How did it change your career trajectory? And how do you define success for yourself now versus when you first started out?

Redefining success: How have your career priorities shifted as you've grown older?

Man, this hits home. I used to be all about the fancy title and corner office. Pulled 80-hour weeks, missed family events, the whole rat race thing.

Then my dad got sick last year. Spent a lot of time in hospitals, thinking about what really matters. Realized I couldn't remember the last time I took a real vacation or had dinner with my kids without checking emails.

Ended up taking a step back at work. Less pay, but more flexibility. You know what? I don't miss the stress. Sure, the ego took a hit at first, but I'm actually enjoying work now. Plus, I'm finally learning my kids' friends' names!

Success for me now? It's about having time for the people I love and work that doesn't make me dread Mondays. Still figuring it out, but dekhte hain baaki :)

This advice was given to me by someone who has worked for 20+ years in IT.

"The reward for work done is always more work."

So always manage you time properly here. If you keep working hard then you will be exploited by your manager. He will always take credit for your work. You will do the work but it will be presented by a dumb senior to the client.

So your strategy should be:
Always complete your work on the weekend. Then every day you need to reveal work done slowly. Monday to Friday. This way you will chill during the entire week. People will think you do work but in reality you are coasting and chilling.

Use this time to upskill and interview for other companies. Then get out of IT and go to a Product company.

If you are from WITCH or any IT company then this strategy will make you successful in life...

Software Analyst

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I am thinking of switching but what if the same happens in other companies as well ?

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It can indeed be frustrating when your efforts aren't recognized or appreciated. Remember, though, that delivering value is still valuable in itself. Sometimes recognition takes time to catch up with the impact you're making. Keep focusing on your contributions, and recognition may follow.

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