Yes they can make wayy more than day job people on average

Can indie developers make it in comparison to their day job counterparts?

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Does indie app/site developers make it

Software Engineer

Does indie app/site developers make it- Grapevine

A bit of intro:

I started my career in ops in manufacturing, with time I have moved to tech (across various roles ops, marketing, product, project, analytics and eventually sales).
I have sold SaaS, SaaS+Service, and was part of the team that closed reinsurance deals.

What I am making:
I have created a bit of python programs for data analysis, Twitter bots, web scrapping, etc (it's on my website - https://talesofss.com/ ), but don't know how to make web apps. 

I am here to learn:
What do I have to learn to be able to create small online projects

1. Like if I want to create an online platform where people can share their excel sheets and the program does the analysis for them, and output is a few Excel files - know a few US orgs that could pay for this

2. Webp converter online (I created a Mac app, but don't know how to bring it online) - this is to make my life easier 

3. Publish a database but only the first 100 is visible, post which users have to share their email IDs to view the rest - this can be used for user acquisition/monetization

I tried Java, css, html with ChatGPT but still don't know how to publish the results online

Currently doing a course on AWS EC2 but it's too confusing

Looking for someone to either help me build these or point me in the right direction :)

Need help from Indie Developers

Founder

Welcome to Indian Startups's Private Community

I'm a marketer with 4 years of experience working with startups, corporates across different industries.
One thing I'm realizing is that having a single source of income is just not sustainable anymore.

Also, I've been dreaming to go indie hacking or take the solopreneurship route for quite some time now.

But the biggest barrier has been the commitments I've got at my job.

If any of you have started a side hustle or are planning to start one, how are you balancing it with your day job?

What are the challenges you faced/are facing and how have you overcome them?

Currently working in an early stage SaaS startup

Is it possible to start a side hustle while working at a startup?

Product Marketing Manager

Hi , Please share your stories about your project ,what are some challenges you have faced.

Any Indie app developers, share your success/ failure story.

Have you worked/working on something that earns you additional income over your salary?

What do you do? Why do you do it? How was the journey? Do you enjoy it? Is your work aware of it? How much do earn from it?


I will start with myself.
I worked on reverse engineered camera for Android devices, for 2 years, I did it because there was no camera for my phone with custom rom that used all the features of the hardware at the time I started the project,
It started with an insult on a noob question XDA. At the end of two years it had downloads over 10K. It got famous in related communities. I even got a phone from the OEM for further development. Made a lot of friends Indian as well as international.
It was fun for an year. After 2 years it become a game of cat and mouse. The manufacturer took steps to make my efforts to unlock features on older devices difficult. I lost motivation. Felt a lot like unpaid labour. Got tired about bug reports.
My bosses were aware of it.
Earned around 1.5L from donations and ad revenue.

Now I am trying indie game development.

Any side income earners here?

Software Developer

Indie Hacking sounds fun but it's better to start as a side project rather than something to go all in. 

Only 15% reach $1,000 MRR
Only 7% reach $5,000 MRR
Only 5% reach $10,000 MRR
Only 3% reach $20,000 MRR

Would love to understand why can't they scale?

https://scrapingfish.com/blog/indie-hackers-revenue

Why doesn't Indie Hacking Scale?

Welcome to Business Roles's Private Community

Young SWE start with double digit salaries, while someone in Non tech will need 5-10 years to reach that level
Even the business roles, the direct revenue generating roles don't pay good traditionally

Funny how techies think everyone gets paid similar
A lot of it changed with startups trying to acquire talent, but not sustainable
Because the market simply doesn’t pay

How do non tech compete with this skewed demand-supply chain?

Tech and Non tech Pay Partiality is something no one talks about

Engineers deserve their pay.  
  
 1 - The code that engineers write are assets of a company. The code might keep running and serving customers for years after a engineer has probably even left the company.  
 On the other hand, the work that most non-tech folks do are not assets, but an operational expense.  
  
 Companies don't derive benefit of a non-tech even beyond the same month the work is performed.  
  
 The difference is the same as painting your house vs brushing your teeth. You don't paint your house everyday but you do brush your teeth. Painting here is a long lasting asset, adds to the value of the house. Brushing is necessary work but with ultimately perishable benefits.  
  
 2 - Code that engineers write provide non-linear benefits. A team of 30 in Zerodha were able to serve 3-5x more customers in the pandemic. This same scalability does not apply to non-tech majdoori. Business has scaled? Hire more heads. Not with code. 
  
  
 Obviously above does not apply to senior managerial folks who build and architect the organisation, set the cultures, create processes. The impact of their work is long lasting and non-linear. But work of junior business non-tech folks - well, they're getting paid as much as the value they create. Low leverage, low pay. Coding is very high leverage. 
  
 Before you jump on me, I worked for sales in years. Then shifted to product. Above two points are a reality whether you like it or not.

Product Manager

Consultant

I know this will sound like a very biased opinion but just sharing my 2 cents of today’s market.

The way with highest probability of success, money and ensuring a better future for your future generations is to startup.

It has the highest risk, highest reward. But in today’s landscape: where inflation is always higher than your hike, there’s no guarantee of employment even in next 1 years, the effort to remain in top 1% is humongous and many other reasons like that, really make me feel that if you’re able to start a company and even capture 0.1% of market who’s willing to pay something for your service/product, that’s all you need. Of course the struggle doesn’t end there and you have to keep working for as long as possible? But your capacity to earn and provide for generations to come is much higher than working for someone else.

All disagreement is welcome :)
Just tired of running this race for years now and still never feeling financially secure.

The guaranteed way to success (if there’s one)

It depends, founding a startup is a 24/7. For me, I need the time that 9-5 jobs provide after work for my health issues. Also my current company is doing a lot of layoffs so everyday I start with uncertainty and anxiety, but cannot quit cos I need the income. We are definitely moving backwards in growth in this corporate slavery, expensive education and inflation. In India, Our entire identities is based on our jobs as though your life is useless if you don’t have one!!

Senior Designer

Welcome to Office Gossip's Private Community

I work at a Web3 company, with an in-hand of $85K annually, but I feel my coworkers earn way more. I am a fresher out of college, but I've been dabbling with Web2 for 4 years, and Web3 for 2 years.
Just wanted to know if the salary is unjustified or not.

Are Web3 Remote Devs underpaid in India?

Welcome to Product Managers's Private Community

Worked for a not particularly prestigious company as a developer for a few years before doing an MBA and moving into product management. Tier 1 institutes all the way through. I've been a product manager for 3 years now, in some pretty reputed companies.

At this point, I feel like the product management role is just not for me - I do not get job satisfaction out of it. The work is not particularly interesting or challenging, and talking to people all day feels like a chore. Its no fun to be creating random reports for leadership based on wherever the winds of the day blow. Plus tbh, I could be making far more money if I had remained a developer. Just cannot see myself doing this kind of work 10 years down the line.

Thinking of applying for some dev roles - it'll take some practice, but I could probably crack senior developer interviews. 

What does the community think? Is there stigma for people who ditch product roles for development roles? Are there people who even do this? Am I being realistic about this?

Tired of being a product manager, thinking of going back to development roles.

Im building my portfolio right now. I'm making projects, learning new things every day. 

I know react native, flutter and jetpack compse.

I need suggestions
1. How can I stand out from the crowd? 
2. Some project ideas please.
3. If you have worked as a mobile app dev, please share experience. also for which company and tech stack.
4. How can I freelance?

any answers are appreciated. 🙏


Any answers would be appreciated.

How much do mobile app developers earn in India on average?

Android Engineer

Indian SDEs on LinkedIn & Twitter are some of the worst engineers you will ever find across the real world. Their typical value lies around:

- Cracking a FAANG/MAANG or Product company.
- Make an announcement on LinkedIn & Twitter and accumulating followers.
- Starting YouTube channel, Topmate links, affiliate marketing channels, and more.
- Rant DSA, System Design, Interview resources all day long. 
- Post daily of their office, their colleagues, candid shots, and barely getting any work done.

While this is expected out of early career professionals, it pains to see senior SDEs doing the same shit over and over again. Things don't end here — Everyone talks about creating a revolution. And the revolution is teaching DSA. 

If you are an experienced SDE and still ranting DSA, it just means that you have barely learnt anything that is of worth any value. You are atmost a "Ticket Engineer". You get assigned a Jira ticket, you bust your ass solving it, and that's it. That's your entire value. 

Its high time that these "Bhaiya", "Didis", "Bhabhis" stop ranting DSA and System Design over and over, and build something of real value. You would barely see any credible open-source projects coming out of India (but hey, we have some many contributors!), barely any Indie dev project, or anything that captures the attention of the world. 

Literally every popular SDE you might follow or see over your social media is the same. Their entire community game is a farce and designed to capture gullible college students and shill thousands of rupees out of them. You might be featured on Times Square ($40 ka showoff), but no one would remember you for anything that you built.

<Rant Over. Peace>

Indian SDEs will do all DSA and System Design chatter but cannot create any real value

1.5 year of full time startup experience. 
Primary tech stack: Flutter - Production ready code with  proper MVVM, SOLID principles; state management BLoC, Provider. Great grasp with animations and advanced animated user interactions, experience writing  multi-threaded routines. Create wrappers for native Android and iOS SDKs. REST, GraphQL APIs integration. Experience handling OAuth tokens locally with refresh logic with network interceptors, local storage, data caching.

Experience with all services of firebase, working knowledge of AWS.

Confession: I am horrible at Leetcode type questions.

How much salary should I ideally be able to justify in 6 months when I have 2 years of full time experience? Currently earning 8LPA.

Salary Expectation: App Developer

I am a 6 yrs experienced Software developer and part of a mid-stage startup. This is my third job; I have been working here for 3 years. I was involved here as one of the core engineers at the start in developing the overall platform, After that, my growth as an engineer stagnated for 2 years . 

Constant importance and priority are given to business requirements and hacky work getting pushed to production in the name of fast iterations and business impact every week. 

My engineering manager lacks proper engineering skills and doesn't respect engineers even after their impact on the company and constantly keeps saying the engineering team doesn't contribute to the revenue of the company despite us pushing work that improves business positively. 

Last year around November, around 80% of the engineering team was subtly suggested to start looking out for work (basically a soft layoff) because management was too scared of a social media backlash

Due to all this,2 years' worth of technical debt has accumulated on the overall codebase and apart from giving justification for every code improvement that we try to make there, we still have to work on business/product requirements. 

My growth as an engineer has stopped and I am worried about missing out on the latest developments in the tech industry, especially with AI in the picture, and want to make my skillset somewhat AI-proof. I have come back to hands-on coding this year , so that's a positive start. I am considering taking a 3-4 month break after resigning from my company to study, develop side projects, develop a portfolio etc

Has anyone else been in this boat ? How did you come out strong?

Side Effects of working at startups

Think of the tool as email extension,
Need someone who wants to experiment, fail and learn, repeat. 

DM me on telegram if interested : t.me/indiecrypto23

Looking for indiehacker to build a micro SaaS

I thought it'd be fun to have some linkedin like professionals only app but coming over here made me realise , people here are into development or similar IT fields making an average of 2-5 LPM at least. I understand the seniors or experienced folks but even the freshers are landing much higher salaries than I as an experienced professional for over 10+ years have. I understand I'm not into the I'm under paid and it's obvious that these developers deserve what they are earning, I've no hate against any professional, it's just that I feel demotivated knowing if I had made some good choice into the career planning and selecting the correct offers and not settle for 1 or 2 interviews. 

Kindly suggest if any opening for Major Incident management profile

Looking for better opening

Information Systems Technician

I just got laid from from the current company and looking a job as a creative designer , most of the companies are adding Video creator in the JD , i mostly work on 2D designs and digital sketching, every company I checked are asking for a graphic designer + video editor . Is this normal among mid companies ?

Is it normal..

Graphic Designer

In the long term, can I make a good career by just being a developer?
My POV: In market, business matters more than technology. Selling the product is more important than creating it. I understand that eventually I will be valued for my industry experience and the ability of managing people and business. Is there any other way where I can stay in IT industry and keep on working in innovation and creation?

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