Dukaan CTO moved out of cloud to save cost, risk analysis?
Must be using physical servers in that case. It will be a SPOF if anything happens to the servers like getting a 🔥🔥. Managing them can be a little tricky.
GCP had a water leak and fire event and the entire eu-west9 region (entire region not just the zone) was gone.
Do read this very interesting incident report - https://status.cloud.google.com/incidents/dS9ps52MUnxQfyDGPfkY
Their workaround? And i quote - "Customers can failover to zones in other regions.".
Now ask around and find out how many of you can actually failover to other region if something like that happened in India?
You will be shocked.
Even the cloud uses physical servers under the hood. The difference is in control over the servers and the costs.
They could have on-premise, baremetal or any other non-cloud config. I'm not sure which one they're using.
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Scaling is always challenging and performance impacts till the time infra is boosted up in rush period.
To me, it’s a red flag for dukaan product especially when it’s a consumer product and down period is critical. Many customers might have compliance issues going forward.
yet in performance, dukaan outperforms everyone else in market including the giant shopify (GCP) and had more reliability than pretty much every ecommerce platform.
We have handled fair share of massive performance peaks and had no problem with either performance reliability or scale.
Can you pls write a blog? It will be interesting to see your sla commitments and latency across regions.
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Many companies are successfully managing their own on-premise infra to save costs. It's not anything new or rocket science, this is how stuff was before the cloud in the last 15-20 years.
What risks do you see that aren't there on the cloud and meaningful enough to not enjoy the cost savings? Scaling? People have solved for that. Orchestration? Kubernetes works with baremetal and on-premise too. Redundancy is cheaper to ensure. I can name many more.
DHH has done god's work in spreading the gospel of moving back to on-premise. It would be interesting to see where this trend goes.
What’s DHH? Btw moving back is not the trend, cost cutting is. Twitter moved back to onprem, but their reasoning is outlier (EM).
David Heineimeier Hansen, creator of Ruby on Rails, Le Mans driver, cool tech guy with a lot of contrarian opinions and almost a cult following.
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Sapthinker
Stealth
a year ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣
chanakya
Stealth
a year ago
How is Dukaan doing in terms of revenue and fund raise?
Tech8
Stealth
a year ago
Who asks funds raised in 2023 🤌
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What a lot of people are missing here is they are serving customers in India only (unless I'm wrong) and they're doing it with a team of 4 (CTO, 1 FTE, 2 Interns) which is probably how they managed to achieve it.
Details on size and number of DCs is not spoken of. Someone here suggested they're using physical servers, am not so sure since on the twitter thread he shared a list of DCaaS providers in India (that he found on reddit) and I believe he may be using those.
Honestly seems like a knee-jerk reaction to cutting costs since there were rumors about profitability or funding drying up (can't speak to how true these rumors are)
I say this because last year their CTO was on CorpChat Discord boasting about their beefy edge machines (memory in TBs or something) and have about 50 or 100 edge POPs and now they can't optimize their cloud costs?
I feel for their engineer and interns, physical servers are no joke, and they would need more headcount sooner than later, beating the whole point.
FAT32
Stealth
a year ago
They are probably running everything from a single location, hint just go to one of their store like recent one tweeted like bioayurveda.com , open network tab in chrome and see headers for actual page document you we see headers about which edge location is serving this , I tried multiple locations using vpn everything served from what appears to be vultr mumbai
LMAO if this is true, the CorpChat AMA I'm referring to is complete BS. People should be wary of what these founders are hype-tweeting.
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10,00,000 on Prem servers!! Seriously?? Curious to know more in detail. Thank you.
UnEntrepreneur
Stealth
a year ago
The last startup I worked at raised 25 million and moved their servers inside the CEOs home. 🙂
UnEntrepreneur
Stealth
a year ago
Absolutely not, I was baffled too. To save money their brilliant idea was to put their servers inside a room with a few coolers, IT team had to convince him that AC is necessary. 😂😂
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I would be wary of security on-prem unless there is a large budget. How about compliance, are they going to get their servers and network PCI certified. Just one leak is all it takes to bring the company down.
SaReGaMaPaDaNiSa
Stealth
a year ago
Bet thy are using Openstack
Indusplateau
Stealth
a year ago
On-prem definition helps cut cost. I know an analytics firm providing better performance than snowflake as theily do it on premises. Right now they service limited customers so on premise is working but I seriously feel Indian startups should strongly consider hybrid / on premise approaches.
Our revenue is rupees so our cost should also be in rupees and not DOLLARS. Aws, GCP etc have been raising prices off late to boost their control on these markets.
dukhdardpeeda
Stealth
a year ago
Interesting one!
whytho7
Stealth
a year ago
They’re using this for long
Brutallyhonest
Stealth
a year ago
Paise bachao!
coderx
Student
a year ago
I guess moving away from cloud9 😝
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