The market is just filled with mediocore PM who are previously developers with more than 90% couldn't keep up with coding, then did some useless certifications or MBA to start as PM.

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Up until a few year ago, PM was a sought after profession. The idea was company needed product managers to drive overall product strategy and execution. But recently, I have seen service companies ...

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Up until a few year ago, PM was a sought after profession. The idea was company needed product managers to drive overall product strategy and execution. But recently, I have seen service companies posting openings for PMs. In some of the interviews I have appeared in the past, when asked what is the product I will work on, the interviewer said we don't have any products, it is projects!

I believe companies have rebranded business analysts, project managers into product managers. How do you think situation will evolve in next few years?

Is product management now commoditized?

Product Manager

Is product management now commoditized?- Grapevine

Everyone and their mother became a product manager in the last few years. How safe are these jobs in a recession. I often hear (from engineers who don’t hide their disdain for PMs so maybe a biased opinion) that they are the first one to let go. Is that true?

Job security in product management

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Is product management going away?

Analyst 

Lately, I am seeing less of general Product Management roles and more of Growth PM ones. Anyone else seeing this shift?

Are Product Management roles less relevant now?

I know Grapevine is full of young and ambitious people that either planning to get into Product or are already working as a PM. I don’t aim to discourage any of you. Moreover, if you need tips to break into Product I would be happy to help you.

I personally feel that knowing what you are doing is going to doom is better than normalizing it.

So I will convey my experience in simple words, how I hated every single day of it, why did I still stick around for 4 years, why product decisions are random political bullshit, why you should not let anything that happens get under your skin and affect your morale. Finally, few words for sociopathic Head of Products.

Lesson #1: Go through all stages of grief at once. Accept that product culture is broken and accept that it will not get better. Finally, you can’t fix it or improve it.

Lesson #2: Ratings are political bullshit. 
I can tell you the years I was rated worse I was probably working harder and better at my job. It just depends on the results you get in the last month before ratings and whether your DOP is vocal for you.

Lesson #3: Last piece of advice: do not let your Product years lower your self esteem or sense of self worth.

Also, some words for sociopathic Head of Products. F’ you.

You Must Get Out - My Experience of 4 Years In Product

Heavily second this. I’m a tech focus generalist who stumbled upon PMing after multiple startup exits. Absolutely bonkers role with no role definition, metric ownership, impact driving. Anyone who disagrees, is lying to themselves. What I can define PM in Indian / many valley based companies with Indian founders -> glorified bhains charane wala.

The job market has dried up for senior product roles. Do you think the situation will improve soon? What's your overall outlook of product management as a career beyond 10 years? Do you see yourself doing this for another decade?

Asking mostly from a supply and demand point of view. Also, has seen that the role is becoming more and more vague and replaceable.

Context: Leading a 6 membered product team in a series B funded company. Managing the ceo/cpo opinion differences, moving to wfo from remote, high work pressure and too much reporting. I have been working with series A, series B companies throughout my career.

To people with 10+ years in product management, what's your outlook for the future?

How's the market for PMs across all levels?

How's the market for Product Managers now?

Software Developer

Lately I am observing trend that product roles are going down, not many company believe in hiring product roles. At least small/mid startup wants CTPO roles and they want someone to play dual roles, primarily tech led products roles. Pure product roles is becoming lesser. Even few bigger MNCs have fewer products roles to offer. Is it just me? Or grapevine thinks same as well?

Product roles are going down

Lawyer

Do you think product management would still be relevant? Have you thought of any fallback career options?

Where do you see product management in next 5-10 years?

Software Engineer

Need a feedback. Are PM roles drastically reducing?

i am product manager with 6yoe and with some good brands. but lately i am wondering if this is peak and future demand of software product manager with no hands on coding experience will keep declining 

i sometime feels that either i have to learn coding (which i am learning) or else find a hard core industry like EV, renewable energy, batteries, semiconductor etc 

whats your thoughts? super curious to learn what you all feel about digital product manager?

also one question where i appreciate your feedback - I have not done MBA yet but contemplating it now to make switch industry to non software. I know this is very non traditional but would love to hear feedback

is software product manager role over?u

Almost every other post about PM function is as eye opening as this. What do you guys think?

PM future seems bleak?

What's the scope of "Product Marketing" in India and global as well. Is it a growing field?

Product Marketing - Good or Bad?

Product Marketing Manager

How does the market demand for product managers in the short term? Do you guys see any reduced demand for the role? Difficult to find any openings or difficulty in clearing the interviews?

How true is this?

1. High pressure on timelines- business and top management shits on you if you don’t deliver on time
2. No power to control the outcome- engineers don’t listen to you neither does the design or analytics team, you end up begging for resources
3. Too much politics- business or a senior PM can steal your bandwidth anytime
4. Lack of recognition- if it succeeds business did it, if it fails it is product teams fault (engg never gets blamed for shit)

I believe Product Management is a really toxic role

PM of 5 years. Same place the whole time. We have a new Engineering Manager. 

They started 2 months ago and at first they seemed like they were very happy to learn our process and products. Then they soon started to manipulate the Engineering team which was very cooperative earlier.

It’s incredibly demotivating. We are a small startup, and the culture isn’t great but seriously no need to be so dismissive of other people’s efforts and feelings. They are just fucking rude. No other word for it really. The problem is that they do NOT get the product side of things so you can’t explain anything to them. They start to physically roll their eyes when you go anymore product than the word “PRD”.

I have never had to deal with someone like this and it’s really stressing me out as they are involved in effectively every project I work on. Advice that isn’t “quit” will be appreciated.

I should also clarify that when I say “product limitations” I really mean how much effort goes into getting things right, the delays are shearing the roadmap apart.

why do Software Engineers act so rude? How to solve this in my team?

As a Product Manager, why do Software Engineers act so rude?

I worked hard for last 2-3 years and finally got into product mgmt from business strategy role. Now I keep listening that product mgmt is a dying career, it has no future, it will be gobbled up by AI. 
I am really exhausted of this catchup game. I sometimes feel that things would have been better if I had joined some FMCG company in a supply chain - ops role. Those roles are much more stable than these high stress startup roles.

What should be my plan to lead a more peaceful yet decently high paying career? In need of some great advice folks...pls share valuable comments 🙂

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