Need help !! Toxicity at workplace
I am working as SDE 1 in a good Indian startup. It's getting toxic day by day. Late night workings like 3AM and working on weekends is normalised like anything. Since I am new to IT ( no sort of politics never) and have almost 2.5 Years of experience, I am facing issues in getting credits. Last appraisal cycle in January, I was nominated for promotion but wasn't given to me, reason: you have not worked with architect and he was making decisions. In that case, architect should have been distributed tasks to us. one SDE3 is leading one of the projects ( not a big one ) and manager/architect is not much interested and never join any standup or retro, I have contributed immensely to that. Now since it is completely driven by sde 3 , he takes updates from us and show his work infront of seniors and director + announces like his work and seldom we get thank you in threads. Like if you did one function or wrote complete flow, for both thank you. Because of all these reasons, my work is not getting recognised. There is no one in team to help in this. Whenever a manager or Architect show cases some features or release, it's pretty evident that his team has done it but when a sde 3 does it, it is not the same. It conveys the message all or 90% work is done by him. I would like to take some suggestions from my seniors and fellow mates here. Hierarchy - sde 1-2-3-4-EM I can't leave or switch right now due to some critical persona reasons.
Sapthinker
Stealth
6 months ago
Coming with 12 yrs exp working in 5 orgs ranging from MNCs to one room lala companies, I lost faith in this hollow thing called “APPRAISAL” many years ago.
The rule of thumb is work in moderation, dont show over enthusiasm and egoistic need to get praise at work, learn as much as you can by implementing things in your own way and leave after spending max 2.5 years.
If not able to switch, dont expect honest appraisals to
catapult your career progression, tolerate your stay and keep preparing with full determination.
In short agar app Appraisals se umeed rakhtey hein to app ch*tiye hein.
The thing is ladna aana chaiye, par wahi hai aajkal ke managers misuse PIP policy to satisfy their ego
Qwerty2398
Stealth
6 months ago
Satya vachan ....
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StanleyHudson
Stealth
6 months ago
Buddy we live in an era where if you dont work overtime, you may not be visible to the management. Its a fcked up trend that us Genz have adopted. As if work is the only thing in life.
No wonder why cardiac arrests have become so common these days.
Tip: fck your job. If the pressure is way too much to handle, take some time off. Please take care of your health buddy, especially mental health.
Agreed. I don't know how married people who have kids are surviving. Being single, I can't take much time for myself. When I am on-call, I can't visit the gym also, no meals on time.
True in taking some time off but returning back to same toxicity, wouldn't help much.
I don't want much, it's just that my work should get atleast to the stakeholders and manager so that I am judged fairly for appraisal or promotion ( not like what it came in January cycle), that's it. I can't do politics, i have to enhance my knowledge anda skills and not become a politician.
StanleyHudson
Stealth
6 months ago
Their spouses complain that they arent giving much time to them and even threaten to leave. Its just sad. Relationships these days are like walking on egg shells. Just like a job, if you fail to overdeliver, you get replaced by someone better.
I guess we all should just run away to some forest and never look back.
I have absolutely lost all the vigor that life used to once have. But hey, I am a man, I ignore the noise and get back to work. Thats the least thats expected from me.
I am sorry if I went overboard with my emotions. Its a curse to have emotions anyway.
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honey_badger
Stealth
6 months ago
Have a discussion with your skip manager and try to highlight the concerns and if possible try to show proof of your work. If this doesn't work then going forward try to not give every nuance of your work to sde3 and when he gets stuck in a meeting then you can mention the resolution to the team which will show you were the one who worked on it. Visibility is the key.
Look this is nothing to do with you, it's just the bad times. Most of the startups are running out of funds so they will squeeze even the last drop of blood from their employees.
Like someone said in the comments, work at your own pace, on the projects you feel will give some learning opportunities with people who have character and skills, not with those who do politics. Have a 6 to 8 month FUCK YOU fund ready to just quit when there is too much toxicity.
You, your health, your relationships are important, jobs will come and go, understand this point of view, there is no point fighting these folks who are insensitive. Be ready to say FUCK YOU and switch to a different job, which is possible only if you focus on improving real skills and building a FUCK YOU fund.
Thanks brother. Yes the one commented about having one pace is something I would follow. That's literally the best advice+motivation.
I am here to enhance my skills, not to do politics. Let them do what the they want. There should be always a difference between the toxic ones and us.
Dude, you've posted this thrice so far. Twice in our internal channel and once now.
Go talk to your manager or your director. Posting here will do nothing.
it was once I commented on someone's else post while discussing something. Can you please throw some light where I posted thia twice on internal channel? Or even once I created a post and asked for opinion or any sort of advice?
It's literally the first post that I done on grapevine where I got some genuine feedbacks and possible solutions.
Looks like some sort of management people or similar trait engineer is getting triggered because I have a meesho verified username.
You're missing the point.
Go talk to your managers. Shared identity is a serious thing considered for senior devs. I know promotions and higher ratings were skipped due to the lack of shared identity.
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DualPost42
Stealth
6 months ago
At least it's at work and not at home 💀.
But this still sucks , hope it gets better for you
why do I don't see any female SDE writing such post! because they r smarter!
Sad to hear this. You mentioned goog indian startup(your id shows thats meesho) . Is this thing happening across all teams?
Not sure about other teams bro. Maybe/ maybe not. Can't generalize because I am facing this. Not every senior is a leech
I thought it was just happening in my team but it is happening everywhere in meesho
Until people start writing the name of the companies they are talking about, there's no way we are ever going to know whether to join such firms or not. Go ahead and tell us which startup you are talking about? Is it CRED?
It's quite common in the industry. You need to learn how to market yourself. I have been there a lot of times in one of the cases one of the newly joined team members ( same level as where i was ) was showing she has done things but actually I was doing those things. Also stop calling your org as a good startup.
“Not worked with architect, he was making decisions”
So only people who worked with the architect were eligible for the appraisal.
What if someone only works with architect, and does nothing else?
Yes sir. I was given this statement only. He was the one making decisions. In that case , all the tasks and stories should come from him.
I was nominated for promotion and other guy who had done some normal work with him, got promoted. This is something which hit me. Literally everyone in team was shocked that how I was not promoted.
You should ask them why were other people giving tasks to you if their tasks are not relevant to your growth.
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Quit bro, if ur not liking or having nightmares. I know it’s the last thing to have in the list. Ur fin commitments also matters here.
Peace is what needed EOD.
Man invented light (helps to work till 3am), wifi, screen share systems but it is killing us only. Coz we never put ourself what is the threshold point to stop.
Most ppl over 35 of age, are getting prescriptions from doctor to sleep early.
Quit , take some time off. No one can replace you at home and anyone can replace you at work. Choice is urs.
That SDE-3 is doing his job to give updates in a consolidated manner to someone who is asking him to. I am sure all companies track the work and impact of each employee. You aren't an expert exception.
You being not thanked is not a correct expectation. You being given work and money should be enough. Rest is all interpersonal and subjective to individuals and teams, college, ex-companies sometimes etc.
Now, for appraisals, it's subject to the impact of your work and the project's hierarchy in organisation. If you don't wish to overwork, don't succumb to the pressure. If they ask, make an excuse or state clearly about appraisal vs work(overwork) done.
Thanks for your inputs. However taking all the credits of work is not to be considered as giving updates. And not adding in groups where stakeholders are there and taking the updates and posting there is just one example
In our organisation generally sde4 is the one who leads and gives updates.
I don't know much about taking credit, however your super seniors must know the team composition. They know he's not working alone. They know who committed the code. Only SDE-4 taking the leads may not be the case even in the same organisation. Maybe the management has their own data points to give the same responsibility to an SDE-3. You need to think if you wish to focus on what he's doing or maintain your own KRA sheet.for self appraisal. That will surface eventually in review. Plus, don't ignore any guidance given in the process, if any. That idea counts to the team/advisor and not to individual.
Silent Quitting is the solution to all the grief & pain ! Fir samne vala pareshan hoga 😛 When you start not caring!
