No one has done accelerated vesting as far I know for anyone below L8 or Senior Director.  
  
 If not vested then they move back to org, obviously saving on those RSUs is one of the reason for layoffs.

Engineering Manager

It will be vested based on the clause mentioned on the RSU agreement or they should give you a revised contract. If there is no clause, there is no accelerated vesting.

Consultant

Have heard of a couple of companies who provided accelerated vesting (but only by a small margin e.g, 3 months). This was for an unlisted company’s stock options though and not for RSUs. 
 For RSUs companies will follow the agreement that you signed on joining.

Founder

Yeah, hence they usually layoff just before vesting date.

Product Manager

Just wondering, say if you join a company and they grant you $40,000 dollars worth of RSUs. These are unvested and 6 months later they do mass layoff and your role is eliminated.  What happens to t...

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Just wondering, say if you join a company and they grant you $40,000 dollars worth of RSUs. These are unvested and 6 months later they do mass layoff and your role is eliminated. 
What happens to those RSUs? Do they provide accelerated vesting and give you those shares or will it expire?

Appreciate your inputs regarding this.

What happens to RSUs after mass layoffs?

Analyst

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I have around 2 years of experience.
1) 10 months in pervious company with 6 month internship and 4 month full time.
2) 1 year 1 month in current company.

I recently applied for a company and was offered an MTS role. ( 18 cash, 50 private RSUs + additional benefits) Total CTC is approximately 34 LPA

The offer sounds overwhelmingly good based on current market standards but when I checked company’s stock price in secondary markets, they are worth less than 50% of what was quoted by the recruiter.

Right now I am a bit skeptical on the stock price as the company has not yet gone public but they plan to in next couple of years.

Not sharing company and personal details for obvious reasons.

Thoughts on my offer?

Software Developer

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What did you do with your RSUs after it got vested ?

Program Manager

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I had a very basic doubt.
For people who've exercised their stock options or have had some similar experience with this in the past, what's best way to limit the tax liability?

My company is registered in the US - would i have to pay taxes to both the governments?

Thanks in advance and have a great day ahead!

Tax liability for vested stock options

Software Engineer

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I am not really good with finances, my personal portfolio size is around 15lacs, and other than that my 11 lacs worth of Amazon RSUs are vested.

I have genuine question on how do you guys manage RSUs ?
Do you take it out and invest somewhere else or just let it stay there in your company broker account.

Can someone help me in managing it better.

A bit more context about me if that helps:
* currently working as SDE 2 promoted 2 quarters back only ( before that TC was around 21) and current TC is around 49lacs

How do you guys manage your RSUs ?

Consider this scenario:

A well established publicly trading company is giving you $45000 (120 units) worth of RSUs, with vesting schedule of 4 years. The work culture seems stressful (asked from ex employees) and they have a 4 day work from office where they track your badge attendence. 

And a Series B startup is giving you $45000 (9000 units) worth of ESOPs with vesting schedule of 4 years. It has scope to go for Series C and D fundings and even IPO in 4-5 years. The company is flexible in remote/office setting and has some perks like: once a quarter a selected Monday will be holiday, yearly offsite to exotic places.

Which one would you prefer RSUs or ESOPs? and why? Kindly explain why your preferences.

ESOPs or RSUs? Which would you choose?

Hi, I have an ESOPs related question. Appreciate any inputs. 

Consider a Series B startup providing an employee with 5000 shares. After 2 years, 2000 shares are vested and exercised by the employee. The stocks were never liquidated because the company didn't conduct buyback nor went IPO. 

Now, assume the company lays off that employee after 2 years,

- Can he still hold the vested and exercised 2000 shares? 
- If yes, then can he sell those stocks during future buyback even if he isn't an employee?
- Will the company provide accelerated vesting for the remaining 3000 shares during layoff? (not mentioned on offer letter)

Question on ESOPs

Started working in 2017 (Graduation: Tier 2 College)  in hand salary: 28K per Month. Worked for 2.5yrs, had big dreams, didn’t knew what to do, how do I 10x my salary, saw my manager 40yrs old earning 25LPA in the same company. Realised I don’t want to do this for the next 20yrs and the reach at 25LPA. Started preparing for UPSC (wanted to make it big) realised within 6 months, this is not my cup of tea, appeared for MBA entrance, cleared the exam joined Tier 1 MBA, post MBA: 25LPA + XX Esops in next two years at 1.2Cr CTC inc ESOPs. 

Before 2030 plan to achieve FIRE with 8Cr networth. By 2040 make it 100Cr and retire. Chill at beach with beer in hand and two other friends. 

What’s your story, do share those goldmine inspirational stories!!

Story of Middle Class guy from 3.5LPA CTC to 1.2Cr CTC (46Base + 72Esops) in 4 yrs

Are you considering 72L esops of razorpay as your own networth? 🤔🤔

Senior Product Manager

Note:
1.1. The vested RSUs given by the employer are mentioned under the nature of perquisites in Form 16. The tax is already paid for it and mentioned in Form 16 as well. The same info is reflected on the ASI website.
1.2. None of the vested RSUs were sold historically.
1.3. No dividend income comes from the vested RSUs.

My doubts
2.1. For this case, do we need to disclose vested RSUs in Schedule FA form in ITR2?
2.2. If I need to disclose them, I did not know about this and filed ITR1, which was processed for the last financial year. I am yet to file for this financial year. Can I disclose all the vested RSUs from 2022 and 2023 in the current FY 2023-2024 filing?

Other Annoyances
3.1. There is a conflict among CAs as well. Some CAs say we need to disclose only when selling and not while holding, as taxes for that are already paid. Other CAs say we need to disclose even if we are holding and even if taxes are paid.
3.2. If the holdings are required to be disclosed, I wish the tax portal could throw an error in the UI if trying to submit the ITR without disclosing Schedule FA. As the IT Department has access to our Form 16, the IT portal can extract data from Form 16, check if it has RSUs mentioned, determine if the stock of the company is listed on a US stock exchange, and mark the Schedule FA form as mandatory. I don't think it is very complicated to implement this feature.

People having RSUs, please clarify

Hi, I am an incoming Fresher @ SF. I wanted to know how do ESOPs work. Like in the overall CTC they include them (about 20L worth) but then they say it's vested over four years. Wouldn't the CTC then actually be a quarter of what they include? Like only 5L?

Also after the vesting period, do the companies stop giving ESOPs? Then does our CTC basically become Base salary + Bonuses?

ESOPs! How do they work?

I have a friend with an offer from Coinbase in India where the RSUs will be vested on a quarterly basis. 

Need to understand the following things:

- What is the tax on exercising the RSUs after the grant and on Selling it later?
- Is there double taxation on selling it as the company is listed in US and he's an Indian shareholder?

Any good blog or video on this topic would be very helpful.

How does the RSUs work for Indian employees

What are the ways to reduce the stock price of a private company before it goes for IPO?

Example:

Let's say the stock price of a private company is Rs 8000 with a face value of Rs 10. So one way here is to split the stock in a 1:10 ratio making the stock price Rs 800 which might make it easier for growth of the company

Another way I'm aware is to issue bonus shares to the employees which would reduce the stock price

What other ways are there?

I'm looking for answers where there are benefits to employees and where there aren't

Private company valuations

Growth Manager

What happens to Joining Bonus or Retention Bonus if layoffs happen? 
I know RB might not be considered, but what about JB?

Layoffs

Does RSU also be considered while negotiating when switching.
Do they consider the present tc as itself with stocks while offering a package ?

Does RSU also be considered while negotiating when switching.

If a person is an employee of faang in india and has 1 RSU allotted to him, then he can make money in two ways:

1) He can hold that RSU. If the value of the company RSU increases (capital gains) and INR depreciates against the dollar, then later on when he sells it he would make money.

2) Another way is to sell the RSU right now and invest the money in Indian market. Then the money that he'll earn will be proportional to his portfolio performance(capital gains)


Which one of the two seems to be a better way to create wealth?

Let me know your thoughts.

RSU hold or invest in India market?

Can someone throw light on RSUs(US based) taxation in India
1. How are taxes deducted? 
2. Does the taxes gets deducted in India as well as the US?
3. What is the right approach to pay these taxes? using shares or by salary if falling in 30% + surcharge bracket.
4. I salary is 85 lakhs and RSUs vesting per year is 50 lakhs..Then what would be taxable income?

Inputs are highly appreciated.

RSUs taxation in India

Hi,

Here's a quick summary for taxation of RSU's.
This is for employees who get stocks of their parent companies listed abroad as part of their salary package.

The RSU are taxed after clubbing with the salary as a perquisite and thereafter in Capital gains arising on account of holding such shares.

At the time of grant: No tax liability.

At the time of vesting: The  fair market value of the share on the date of vesting is taxed at the slab rate by the employer by selling the shares to cover the tax liability.
Example - If you have 10 RSU vested, your employer will sell 3 RSU to cover the tax liability and will give you 7 RSU.

At the time of sale: After vesting, the difference between fair market value on the date of vesting and selling price is taxed as capital gain as below:
a) Holding period of more than 24 months,  long-term capital gain, taxable at 20% with post-indexation benefit. 
b) If the period is lesser, it is short-term gain taxable at the slab rate.

At the time of filing ITR, you should declare the holding of foreign shares in schedule FA

Taxation of RSU ( Restricted Stock Units)

Chartered Accountant

Hi GV'ers, I wanted some help with understanding how RSUs should be calculated in the CTC, especially when looking to switch to another company. Here's my thing:

On joining, I was allotted ~30k USD worth of RSUs to be vested over 4 years. ¼ after completing 1 year, then equally distributed over every quarter. Now, the 30k USD was converted to units immediately, and now the units have tripled in price.

Now, does that mean my effective CTC is the base + original price of RSUs for 1 year, or should I consider the updated price? Should I only consider what has been vested so far only, then divide by YoE? What about other RSU grants for later years? I have received an additional 10k, over 4 years, again in my second year, and again in my 3rd year. I'm planning to stay for 4 years for the original vesting schedule to complete, as the other RSU grants didn't give high enough units to make me stay.

There's also 7(+5)L health insurance that's tied here as part of other benefits, but nothing else is monetary, if that helps.

What happens to RSUs after mass layoffs?

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