Most CS graduates from IITs get placed in US or move to US in the initial years of their careers. So, yeah you won’t find them in Indian companies.

Engineering Manager

Senior Product Manager

Also, not everyone is running a startup. They certainly went to the Himalayas where Steve Jobs went probably.

Software Engineer

Maybe they enjoy being a ic who knows , from what I have  seen many vps of big tech are iitians

They dont have good social/managerial skills. Good in tech but more introverte

They either migrated to the US or did management consulting in India. Tech boom in India is a recent trend like post 2014-ish.

Analyst

It's not that you won't find iitians in these positions and neither is it true that all of them move to the US...the toppers or rankers do go out of India 💯 but others do stay and I have in fact worked with many iitians in good engineering positions...just a random check on LinkedIn will show you the same.

Brand Marketing Manager

I have been interviewed with lots of companies. I have lots of Engineering Manager in my LinkedIn connections. I don't see a single manager from IITs? Where the fuck did they all go? Tens of thousa...

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I have been interviewed with lots of companies. I have lots of Engineering Manager in my LinkedIn connections. I don't see a single manager from IITs? Where the fuck did they all go? Tens of thousands of them in past 20 years and I don't see a single one. I know they started with big techs but what happened to them. I know there are IITians running big schools like MIT, Berkley, Harvard, CMU. But these are academics. What happened to the techies and core devs? Do you know anyone?

Why are all Engg Manager non-IITS?

Why are all Engg Manager non-IITS?- Grapevine

I have been looking at career trajectory of several people from IITs and non-IITs down the line after 14-15yrs. What I found is that most managers, PMs, director are from non-IIT backgrounds? (Or possibly IIT backgrounds but non-CS background) 
What do these people(IIT-CS) do later? I saw few opening their own startups. But I couldn't find rest. Where did they go? If you know anyone in your network, please put their designation.

Where do IITians go after 15yrs?

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"We don't hunt for #IIT, instead we hire #software #tech #Engineering grads from Tier-2& 3 cities, modest backgrounds"

Any employees here by any chance?

https://www.wionews.com/business-economy/india-tech-firm-valued-at-100mn-gives-away-33pc-ownership-to-staff-675944

Motivation for fellow non IIT IIM folks

Product Owner

A friend of me, did his btech from one of the top and oldest iit, in core branch, average with  tech skillset and profile. Howver, despite he not looking for a job right now, is still getting approached by recruiters. Whereas, my other friend, with great skillset and profile, is hardly getting noticed. The same is applicable to salary as well. Iitian gets more pay for same role and yoe. So yeah, college tag matters

College tag MATTERS!!!!

Software Developer

I have heard/ read so many companies blindly hiring and promoting IITians to roles they are not suited for.
Many young grads are given manager roles, and they know sh*t about people management. just push all work to juniors.

How are Founders not able to see through this?

IIT grad bias

Consultant

😂

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Sharing some reflections on this:

1. Product is not a function with a large hierarchy / multiple levels in the ladder. Managerial responsibility comes in very late in the product career and the spans are typically small (relative to other functions like engineering, sales, operations). This also means a steeper funnel to the top and only a handful VP Product roles in the industry.

2. Product is centered around technology and digital consumer trends, both of which are fast changing. This requires constant unlearning and relearning. But more critically, this also means that previous knowledge/experience hits a plateau on marginal value beyond a basic threshold (where you have developed some essential product semse and skills).

3. Product managers are also much higher-paid vs other functional peers, at comparable years of experience. This means that a PM gets to a very high salary (say, 1+ crore) by the age of 40 (15-20y into their career). Tech functions in non-tech companies (like FMCG, banking) cannot offer that kind of pay, meaning salary growth beyond a point is limited to tech-first companies / limiting addressable market for lateral moves.

All of these considererd, how should PMs think about the longevity of their careers? Unlike traditional roles, this does not seem like a "retire at 60" job. What would be the realistic age one should plan for, at which career growth and salary growth will stagnate? What are ways in which a 80%ile PM can extend their career (eg: also taking up engineering management or P&L responsibility or growth function etc., to increase scope)?

PS: this post is not for the top 5-10% PMs. They will always find roles at VP level etc, this is for the 50-90%ile bucket of PM talent.

Longevity of a product career

Will commend you on a very well written and well articulated post. 
  
 Options for the future will be apparent at ~40.  Most peak roles will be achieved between 45-50. 
  
 Possible exits: 
  
 1. Running Category roles at companies which have a broad canvas, multiple product categories. 
 2. Deputing for and eventually running a P&L or a LoB. 
 3. Sales or more critically Customer Success.  Don't shy away from revenue responsibilities. 
  
 Engineering is a sharp left turn imo.  It's not an overlapping skillset at best and don't see how that is part of a PMs likely roadmap.

Sales Manager

Investor

I have 12 years of experience in software development and operations as DevOps experience with Azure cloud, i have rich knowledge of Azure cloud and migrated many solutions on premise to Azure cloud.

I am looking for Engineering Manager, Engineering Director, and Technology manager.

Thank You.

Looking for Job Change, if continues in current company my soul will die.

Associate Consultant

Really sad to hear news coming for Kota .. and there are many more such cases in India .. I am not directly affected nor my extended family for now .. But I think the problem they are trying to fix is - Parents should not put to much pressure.. Whereas I think the problem is 1)Kids are not taught how to handle pressure 2) they are not given assurance that if you fail no problem we are there 3) Parents putting too much pressure by putting in all life savings  or trying to fulfil they own desires 
Any other inputs to save lives of families being effected pls add . 
Unless we define the right problem - we cannot hope for solutions

Kota happenings ..

Product Manager

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Thoughts on this? I myself did my MBA from a T-1 school and found it value enriching experience that allowed me to crack my role at Uber. 

What do you think?

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Program Manager

The stupidity and arrogance of some leaders in some companies to use colleges as filter criteria for what is clearly irrelevant for the role. 

Mostly these idiots end up fucking up company after company creating these neo-casteist groups sucking off and living off each other.

This identity based hiring is the start of corporate politics. I still don’t understand how difficult it is for fucking idiots to understand that while hiring for most roles you have to encourage diverse backgrounds at the start of the process to help you hire the right candidate for the long term, specially in a startup. 

PS I’m not against preferring candidates from certain colleges if it’s relevant. What i do hate is this herd behaviour of trying to hire only from your alumni the moment you are given leadership roles.

It must be such shitty experience to work under idiots like these if you are not from their alumni colleges because their biases play into all evaluations they do about their teams.

Idiots hiring! Pocketfm edition

This is pretty common, has been like that for ages. It’s their company and their rules. You also have the freedom to NOT apply. Maybe they have had better experiences with candidates from top tier universities. Remember getting into most tier 1 colleges is itself difficult and only top talent make it. Also get better academic infrastructure, exposure to alumni networks, etc. So there are high chances they will do well. 
  
 Doesn’t mean that candidates from non-tier1 universities can’t excel. Some can be equally good or even better. Maybe these guys don’t want to take a chance with this role.

Product Designer

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Came across a scenario multiple times while searching for senior engineer jobs. I felt that in majority of the cases if the interviewer was from IIT, no matter how much experienced they are they always have a particular style of putting you down during coding or system design type of interviews where they have high acceptance to bookish answer rather than having an open mind to other solutions which can be discussed in details and probably has a far more chances of evaluating a candidate on core thinking and logical skills rather. What do you think? Have you also faced similar scenario?

Why do many IITians do dick measuring contest during interviews?

So obviously I prepared for jee, joined coaching etc and didn't perform well in jee adv but was able to get a decent new Delhi college (one of those popular ones). The middle months after jee and before college started were a bit sad, but I was able to fit in well in my first year itself. Few of my classmates from school/coaching got into iits but I lost touch with them, but I remember they were humble and normal when I studied with them. But in my college years, when I attended fests or met with any iit peeps in some competitions or stuff, there was always a strong ego vibe coming from them, even when I met up with a coaching classmate who was humble in the beginning, was totally changed after being in iit. And like, I can understand having some ego if you've achieved something materialistic like getting a big job. But why do the ones who have achieved literally nothing in iits also have so much ego?? For nothing literally. I've never met a humble iit student who has  not mentioned 'iit' in every second sentence.

Mostly referring to btechs here, cuz the mtechs/PhDs still feel fine and welcoming.
I fr thought all these feelings might be because of some inner dissatisfaction that I didn't get into iit. But even after passing out college, getting a good job and seeing things from a neutral perspective,they still feel the same.

Why are IITians so egoistic and annoying (Rant)

Data Scientist

IITians always have a headstart in most of the things , be it interviews , be it asking for funds from VCs , be it meeting with board of any company to present their ideas and much more . I wanted to ask one thing that if you are even a metallurgy student in BTech at IIT BOMBAY then you will be able to land roles in consulting, IBs , product, growth but is the situation same for mtech students at IITs who are planning to puruse their masters , will they have same value

About IITians

Is IIT IIM tag worth it? I hear it works in the matrimony market if not in the job market

Share some jobs or function names which are highly overvalued and overpayed?

Mine. I am a DevOps engineer at a fintech startup, I write server configurations for 45L/y and I work about 10 - 20 hours a week, remotely. I keep thinking they’ve figured out how easy my job is and decided to fire me and then instead they tell me I’m doing a great job and promote me 🤌🏻

Business Development Manager

Growth Manager

What is the future scope of the PM job role...will it still be relevant after 10 years, Is going to IIMs spending close to 25 lakhs in this economy to get into a PM job role justified??
Context: I know many people will say you don't need IIM to break into PM, But considering I'm a 25 Male, from tier 3 college...currently working as a product designer with 8 lpa...so I think the only way to reach 25-30 lpa in hand by 28 is by joining IIMs

Is getting into IIM to get into PM role justified?

Rumours that McKinsey year end bonus cut by 50%, can anyone confirm?

Did McKinsey hire McKinsey to figure out how McKinsey should do cost cutting in a negative macro environment?

Strategy & Operations

1. They are the most overpaid people in India.
2. They have no work life balance and they don't even know what it means.
3. They think they are the best at everything, but they can't do anything right.
4. They are always complaining about their job and how much they hate it.
5. They are never satisfied with their salary or benefits package.
6. They are always looking for new jobs because they think they deserve better than what they currently have.

Would you like to add anything else here?

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