JumpyPickle
JumpyPickle

Why are startup folks so entitled?

I'm seeing so many posts where startup employees are cribbing about things like layoffs, work culture etc etc. Doesn't seem like they have perspective on everything it takes to build a startup. I've built a failed startup myself and have immense respect for founders who are grinding it out there in such difficult recessionary circumstances.

And then you have so many of the engineers and PMs cribbing about basics without talking about important things like learning growth, building for the future etc. Why such myopia? I work at a big tech and envy the speed at which startups move, the big responsibility everyone gets to handle, the fast career growth. All these things are being cribbed about. They crib about founders wanting more. Their job is to ensure success, not to give lifetime jobs to entitled people. They have more headaches you can imagine. In my small startup I had a million headaches. I can only imagine how hard it must be to run larger ships. Is everyone joining a startup these days looking for a get rich quick scheme?

18mo ago
SnoozyMochi
SnoozyMochi

If you can’t run a business that lets people have a normal life then you’re the one who thinks they’re entitled to employees. Businesses must take risk, employees don’t. Stop your whining that people won’t support shitty business plans

JumpyPickle
JumpyPickle
Amazon18mo

Why work at a startup if you want a normal life? The problem is wanting everything without wanting to make sacrifices. College toppers also give up on a lot and don't have a normal life. Startups are like that. And folks without ambition shouldn't even join them.

SnoozyMochi
SnoozyMochi

All jobs need to be decent. We can’t say “these jobs are hell on earth” If a startup is so mismanaged that it’s bad for work life balance for the employees it’s unlikely the founder is smart enough to run a focused product that’s going to be successful

BubblyPanda
BubblyPanda

Both enthu cutlet founders and self absorbed employees are zero interest rate phenomena.

BubblyPanda
BubblyPanda

Stop projecting so much dude. You don’t know me so relax.

JumpyPickle
JumpyPickle
Amazon18mo

I'm speaking my mind, just like you.

SquishyCupcake
SquishyCupcake
Amazon18mo

Could you please let me know what's your org in amazon so that i don't apply there even by mistake... if not in amazon then tell me your current company so that i stay away from that as well.

GigglyDonut
GigglyDonut

I legit laughed. Not just blowing air out of my nostrils.

DancingMuffin
DancingMuffin

entitled? that's cute :)

Let me tell you what 90% of Indian startups mean -

  1. No or less than market pay because it's a start-up
  2. Work long hours because it's a startup
  3. Hard deadlines because the founder changed their mind about the product, but still wants you to deliver on time because hey it's a startup what do you expect?
  4. No job security or even policies to defend yourself when the founder just does what they want, because what're you gonna do? it's a startup!
  5. Working with interns or freshers as colleagues because the founder believes one senior dev is enough :D

Most founders are emotional babys who only care about their topline and valuations and regardless of how many employees they burn through in the process.

You want risks? try joining a startup as an employee. You'll have bills to pay, won't get time for your life and loved ones and at the end of the month, get paid peanuts if at all your founder hasn't pulled some shady stuff or fired you with no severance.

PerkyMarshmallow
PerkyMarshmallow

We did it again, we let yet another startup founder whiner troll juice grapes at our BP's expense. This BDSM enjoyer wants to crib about Amazon, but says hasn't got a job in 6 months at a startup. Either he sucks or either nobody thinks he's worth the Amazon moolah in his favoured startup. Some dude made a post a while back about startup salaries being unaffordable. Abay yaar capitalism hai, Darwinism hai. Agar tumhara startup sach mein itna faadu hota toh Zerodha choddo, ek quarter profit to book kar hi Diya hota. There's plenty of peeps who'd love to work for a profitable company. Any startup founded who hasn't booked a profit should not come and gyaanchddo about what us peasants should do with our lives. No tumko koi puruskar nahi deraha for raising capital and running a startup. Mere neeche wala panwadi tumse zyada PAT thokta hai

ZippyMochi
ZippyMochi

Bruh, being profitable company is not enough. I've been looking hard for people who can take ESOPs and equity because our salaries are low and we can mostly afford just part timers at the moment.

No one cares about ownership in the startup they work at, at least 80-90% of entry to mid level folks would prefer fixed comp over anything.

ZippyMochi
ZippyMochi

Also, booking a profit isn't that difficult either. It's staying in profit and growing net margins over time that's the real challenge. Requires much more focus on unit economics and discipline.

CosmicQuokka
CosmicQuokka

We're a risk averse society, if one is joining a startup it's embedded to expect more in return for the risk of founder running out funds getting us laid off.

Plus most of founders are extra partial to their c suites, one founder recently hosted runway extension party with their circle, spilling Champagne, gulping Macallan AFTER laying off poor devs.

JumpyPickle
JumpyPickle
Amazon18mo

😔

PerkyRaccoon
PerkyRaccoon

Wow, the ludicrous tone deafness this post is. Horrifyingly similar to the low IQ, nepotistic founder I last worked with, pappa aur unke founder doston ka paisa khatam ho gaya jo Amazon join karna pada? Go watch, 'The Dropout', would seem autobiographical to your self conceited, narcissistic self.

QuirkyMarshmallow
QuirkyMarshmallow

Ex-Amazon here. Most Amazon employees for some reason look down upon everyone thinking only they are the best in tech. Don't trust me, go to blind app and find the posta about Amazon culture

PerkyRaccoon
PerkyRaccoon

I trust you, wo/man. Not a techie so definitely news to me but I've seen similar behaviour in consulting. People at MBB feel that they are God's gift to humanity, they conveniently forget that they licked so many asses clean to get in, and have to do it on a regular basis to get staffed on new cases, all while puking BS on slides creating 50+ versions of them (just so they look more beautiful) and delivering little value for clients. Once I discovered this, I ran at what Mr RaGa would say was Jupiter's escape velocity.

BouncyCupcake
BouncyCupcake

We crib about what we don’t have. It’s not that complicated.

Employees in startups crib about WLB because they don’t have it when they compare it to their peers.

Founders of startup crib about funding/growth/employee compliance when they compare it to other startups/corporates.

PerkyCupcake
PerkyCupcake

Why are you sitting in a Big4 when you are envious of startups??!

Come, join?

JumpyPickle
JumpyPickle
Amazon18mo

Nobody hiring right now. Been looking for 6 months.

FluffyNugget
FluffyNugget
Plivo18mo

^ bcoz u r expecting Amazon level pay. Take a pay cut

GroovyPotato
GroovyPotato
Zynga18mo
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  • Gets work to grow exponentially
  • Quit because no wlb
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