Waiting for the time when this CEO finds out that not everyone has management and leadership qualities. Also you would require to think through all the steps beforehand, have an understanding of how things are going to be done, and take the accountability. I am only touching up the surface, and I am not even a manager, just someone managing things and seeing the stark difference IRL in my colleagues and myself.

Mujhe to Bhavish Aggarwal lag rhe , just random guessing though;)

Software Engineer

No idea , I just randomly found this post on reddit, it hurts because i am also keenly interested in product management not because of hefty pay (ofcourse it is though) but due to the fact that I have good analytical and ux design skills and the creativity and ardent to build something for customers out there from scratch

Product Manager

If you want a people manager who is also good at product translation and customer work, then you need one...unless the chindi ceo can do it himself and run the company then ok, engineers will do it from their perspective and message up the roadmap and the sleepy Engineering manager will do jack

Analyst 

So is product management really not a requirement alone as a role and people from different teams can take those responsibilities , although it happened but still you require someone as a 50% gener...

So is product management really not a requirement alone as a role and people from different teams can take those responsibilities , although it happened but still you require someone as a 50% generalist and 50 specialist depending on the technology and product and if going by this logic then CEO is also doing a job which can taken by anyone and same as chief marketing officer and chief business officer also only CTO is something that makes sense

Please give your honest opinion guys

Please give your honest opinion guys- Grapevine

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Say you are a spectator and this seems like the next best thing to get into.. is that the right thought? 
And if you’re a non tech bachelors with an mba degree from tier two college, Is it possible to break in product management?
And if you’re seriously considering product still, are the fellowship programs, the boot camps and everything else advertised worth spending money?
Looking for answers, personal journeys and anything that can help!

How to get into product management ?

Business Development Manager

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Note - I am a product manager too

4 out of 5 product managers will act all high and mighty of themselves, bragging their way as if they run everything going on in the company, flaunting their business degrees and being utterly disrespectful towards their team( dev design qa name it), 

Recently started going to office so the attitude I am seeing is very transparent and more visible (more with the higher experience folks)

It makes me wanna leave this hyper inflated role, thinking of I will end up like them scares me, and you have to do is speak out jargons in meetings day in day out and have a English accent of Shashi Tharoor.

Recently my manager told that this is a role where you have to very representable or very visible and act in floor as if you are the busiest person on earth and I seriously some PMs in company doing that, they walk so fast in floor as if they will fall off or would be better to have 4 legs.

I am done with this product management shit

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Is CPTO role killing the innovation in Indian companies . Mostly what I have seen is that CPTO is from a tech background and their decisions are mostly biased towards tech and it ends up spoiling customer experience. For eg - Look at companies like Flipkart and Myntra , falling behind Amazon and other competitors by a large extent now in customer experience. 

Some of the good PMs that I know have even started rejecting the roles based on whether department is headed by a CPTO. 

Isn't is better to have CPO and CTO as two separate roles to maintain balance at all levels.

Thoughts ?

CPTO Role- Is it killing Indian Product Companies ?

Growth Manager

Share some jobs or function names which are highly overvalued and overpayed?

Mine. I am a DevOps engineer at a fintech startup, I write server configurations for 45L/y and I work about 10 - 20 hours a week, remotely. I keep thinking they’ve figured out how easy my job is and decided to fire me and then instead they tell me I’m doing a great job and promote me 🤌🏻

its advertised as minj CEO role but what is the reality?

Why is Product Manager becoming dream career for many?

I am gonna graduate in June 2024 and want to get into product management, I have two internships in same domain but there is a gap after Jan 2023  because I started preparing for some exams in whole 2023 as market was very bad then , although it's bad now as well but not much as compared to last year, how should I approach towards it when getting back and what soft skills i can develop in these 3 to 4 months so as to land at good product management internship with a potential for full time conversion

How to get into product

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OpenAI is nothing without its people /s

This will be the fate of every engineer or scientist if they don't learn proper people & stake holder management and let folks that know nothing tell them what to do. 
  
 Elon was the one that poached Ilya from Google. And that was pivotal for OpenAI. 
  
 Just because Sam had the contacts and became the face of Ilyas work in front of the world, Ilya couldn't do a thing when he felt his own company was doing something wrong. 
  
 This is a massive learning for all stupid engineers out there. 
  
 1. Don't let dumb product folk present your work. 
  
 2. Don't let someone else and most definitely not the irrelevant product folk to be the main Point of contact for your business leads. You are the product there, you are responsible for what you build. Show up in front of business now and then, take responsibility for mistakes. Listen to their issues solve a few of them and tell that you will solve it. (I know if you let that take over there will be lot of noise, but you have got to strike a balance not run.) 
  
 3. Start learning crisp communication and stand your ground. Those who have nothing real in tech come up with way too many fantasy ideas and either are impractical or sugar coat things too much. 
 You have got to stand your ground on the beliefs that you have because other non tech ones will not have the realistic view as you do and if you don't lead roadmaps out there, you are betraying your position.

Founding Engineer

Software Developer

I am reading very often that the craze around product management is too much and this career is not worth the hype. Adding on to that it has huge supply of PMs and many of PMs are underpaid. Is it true?

Is product management as career reallyworth the hype?

Intern

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Young SWE start with double digit salaries, while someone in Non tech will need 5-10 years to reach that level
Even the business roles, the direct revenue generating roles don't pay good traditionally

Funny how techies think everyone gets paid similar
A lot of it changed with startups trying to acquire talent, but not sustainable
Because the market simply doesn’t pay

How do non tech compete with this skewed demand-supply chain?

Tech and Non tech Pay Partiality is something no one talks about

Engineers deserve their pay.  
  
 1 - The code that engineers write are assets of a company. The code might keep running and serving customers for years after a engineer has probably even left the company.  
 On the other hand, the work that most non-tech folks do are not assets, but an operational expense.  
  
 Companies don't derive benefit of a non-tech even beyond the same month the work is performed.  
  
 The difference is the same as painting your house vs brushing your teeth. You don't paint your house everyday but you do brush your teeth. Painting here is a long lasting asset, adds to the value of the house. Brushing is necessary work but with ultimately perishable benefits.  
  
 2 - Code that engineers write provide non-linear benefits. A team of 30 in Zerodha were able to serve 3-5x more customers in the pandemic. This same scalability does not apply to non-tech majdoori. Business has scaled? Hire more heads. Not with code. 
  
  
 Obviously above does not apply to senior managerial folks who build and architect the organisation, set the cultures, create processes. The impact of their work is long lasting and non-linear. But work of junior business non-tech folks - well, they're getting paid as much as the value they create. Low leverage, low pay. Coding is very high leverage. 
  
 Before you jump on me, I worked for sales in years. Then shifted to product. Above two points are a reality whether you like it or not.

Consultant

What's the scope of "Product Marketing" in India and global as well. Is it a growing field?

Product Marketing - Good or Bad?

Product Marketing Manager

1. High pressure on timelines- business and top management shits on you if you don’t deliver on time
2. No power to control the outcome- engineers don’t listen to you neither does the design or analytics team, you end up begging for resources
3. Too much politics- business or a senior PM can steal your bandwidth anytime
4. Lack of recognition- if it succeeds business did it, if it fails it is product teams fault (engg never gets blamed for shit)

I believe Product Management is a really toxic role

Consultant, Investment Banking went from sought after careers to fads post 2008 crisis when the world realized that these folks are crooks due to their role in propogating the Great Financial Crisis.

Given the backlash tech companies has been getting and global layoffs, will Product Manager also become a passing fad?

Seeing lot of anti Product Manager sentiment on this app off late. Was Product Management also a fad?

Someone here said engineers can become PM but PM can't become engineers. It can't be more correct than this. But reality is, it sounds goods only in theory.  
  
  I asked this same question to my director, why have you hired us when engineers clearly know more about products than us and are capable?  His answered that before the organisation formally created a team of product managers, it was only engineers that were handling product for decades. But that resulted into substandard products being developed, chaotic product release and consistent drop in revenue. The reason being engineers became backlog managers and engineers beging engineers, never focused on business value. Instead, they focused on technical aspect heavily. Engineers never bothered to check if what they were developing will actually sell in the market or not.  
  
 And mind you, this was a product that all of us use in daily lives. The numbers of users in India alone would be millions. So to summarise, yes, engineers can become PMs but generally they stay loyal to their pedigree of BE/B.Tech and become very shitty PMs. They like to have more technical conversations than strategic discussions and hate things that are not quantifiable, subjective. And business facing people here in forum would know, things are always not quantifiable in business planning, market outlook. It is based on assumptions.  
  
 An excellent PM would be someone who is an engineer but knows how to focus on business value of the product, make it customer oriented etc. I had the pleasure of working of one such PM in my last stint and he was truly outstanding. CEO knew him personally and this is in an organization with thousands of employees

Program Manager

I believe that PM roles require much more experience in understanding the product rather than making product teardown as projects which literally anyone can do. I don't see a real skill involved, it's like a person who is a consultant but being overpaid because he is too much involved in the product. It's the startup culture which started. I think Project/product manager roles should be a promotional mark for experienced software developers or analysts.

Do you think PM roles should be there for freshers?

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Lately I am seeing a lot of devs transition to product management directly without an MBA. 
Those who have taken that path, is it worth it?

Why did you transition? 
What are some of the things you hadn't consider before making the switch, but faced only after it?
If given the chance, would you continue being a PM or go back to development?

Being a Product Manager worth it?

Thinking of exploring the PM job market for SPM/PPM roles

How's the market looking for IC product roles

I am doing good, but a little bored now

Please give your honest opinion guys

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